Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Which is why alpha "failed". It didn't offered enought to attract those masses of new players who tried it when eve went into f2p.

There must be a balance between both states. If alpha is not enjoyable to play no new players will stay. If alpha is too good, noone will subscribe. It needs to offer exactly so much that you get into a game, enjoy it and want more.

And believe it or not, even players who doesn't pay CPP are beneficial to the game. Every new player in eve is adding a content to others no matter if he is alpha or omega. And more content means more players willing to pay for omega.

1: I think the special haulers should be converted to ORE industrials, so alphas can't use them at all. This solves the current faction balance issue caused by industrials. This would also mean the Occator's blueprint would need to be changed to use the Itreon V as a base instead - as it should be by the way.
2: alpha clones get unlimited time of gameplay, omegas get profitable gameplay. I don't see why this should be changed.

I think people who actually need to use the Kryos and Miasmos already have the ore industrials trained up too. The Epithal is a bit different indeed and... do we even need the hoarder?
Also, skill rebalances happened before, and people got free skill points to somewhat compensate them. Worst case scenario: people will lose some efficiency for about a week.

Hm. How about...

Beta clones? PLEX are now 1/500 of what they used to be, so a single PLEX is about 2 million ISK. Set the sub for beta clones at 10 PLEX, or 50, or whatever. May or not include a reduced 'real money' price (my first thought was just PLEX). Give the beta clone access to a few additional skill levels in some skills, maybe a few new skills (PI?), maybe Gallente industrials, maybe one additional race's ships. Just a thought.

Yes, I have a problem with people who feel they are entitled to get any product or service for free. Pay for what you use or stop whining. End of discussion.

Alpha clones are more than balanced. They get content for zero dollars per month, and you want more.



With respect, if you can't afford $10.95/mo, you have no business playing video games in the first place. Start gaming once you found a better job.

Contrary - they should be able to make good ISK, if for no other reason than to work up to a PLEX. The key is, Omega's should be able to make great ISK.

I completely agree with this.
The special haulers give an unfair advantage to gallente - even to minmatar - while both amarr and caldari are already behind because of their ewar skills. Not counting web and scram, caldari and amarr both have ECM and weapon disruption. This would make sense as they are allied, but both gallente and minmatar have access to ECM, weapon disruption and their own faction e-war.
This makes absolutely no sense at all.

You had a job since 14? Don't have child labor laws where you live? Or do you considered being payed for you chores to be like a job?

Also because the average age is between 30 to 35 doesn't mean children don't play. Finally there is a free to play model now, it here to stay, all the op is trying to do is figure out a way to make alpha slightly more enticing without breaking the system.

As for toxicity, the only one being toxic is you, stop being a child an act your age, unless being a child is your age in which case please act like an adult.

Yes, typically at 14 years of age, they are doing WECEP or WSP, though I guess technically you can do eighteen hours a week(On top of your chores) if you are willing to push yourself as a youngang, I personally dedicated my time getting myself ready for college when I was younger.

As for playing games for free, I still don't understand what you are getting at, it like you are spouting out pointless drivel over something that you clearly don't understand all that well, so I shall explain to you, from the perspective of a working man-and someone who went to school for programming in hopes to become a game developer or software engineer in the near future.

You see, when it comes to MMO games like EvE, where the contant is very much sandbox like, an thus depends on the player to create content, having a lot of players can be a very good thing as they are able to spread out and play with the "Sand" at all four corners of the box, it also means the more people, the more diverse the content is, as people will attempt to find their own niche so that they can stand out and say "This is what I made, this is mine, an no one else can have it." This creates interaction, and in turn content. This is clearly something you seem to fail to take into view, before spouting out "why should you play for free." Argument.

Second of all, this isn't an earth shattering change, and from what I can see, you fail to address the change itself, and just spout out "Why should you get to play for free?" Non-sense. If you wish to discuss this topic, you should address the topic at hand, not be on some toxic crusade, that is clearly misguided. The more you entice a player, the more likely he will subscribe, an the less likely he will be scared away by thinking that the only thing the game company wants is to "Steal your wallet," or make it look like some quick cash grab scheme from an outside viewer. In basics, the OP is presenting A way to, in his view, make alpha game play more impacting, and less brutal. This will allow an alpha player feel like he actually have an effect on the game world, and thus moving sand around.

Third of all, this baseless attacks are meaningless, as you know nothing about me, first of all. I do pay for this game, I have played for this game for several years, with several different accounts, I was here long before this alpha clone, I was here before the safety button. I remember when concord use to protect neutral NPC objects. So this baseless attack on that I should actually work for what I get is what it is, baseless drivel, there are many better ways to hold an adult conversation without you acting like a child, cut it out, the only one you are hurting is yourself.

Finally, because this is a game based on player interaction, stagnation is bad, it causes players to leave, you must look at the long term, and you must look at the future, most MMOs are going the way of offering a free unlimited subscription/trial of some type, an just like any company in the real world, an any real world business practitioner will tell you. "Falling behind the times, is also falling behind your competition."

I think the idea of alphas in the first place is bad for EVE. I also think on a fundamental level no one deserves anything for free.

You do realize the game will die out if only alpha players are here, right? You pay zero dollars per month. CCP can't run on that income. A subscription is $10.95/month. That's one hour of work IRL, if that.