Crime & Punishment

It's his voice..sexeh

Ah, the other common defense. I honesty find this to be a bit distasteful, your comparing CODE's "fee" to municipal fees. The latter go toward maintaining a common social network for the benefit of as many people as possible (to varying degrees of success). The former's just being a jerk for the sake of being a jerk.

If you think you're offering a service to the players of New Eden, I would like to inform you that your services simply aren't necessary. But you know this. It's not about providing a service. It's about the perception of power. You and your friends believe you have the right to exercise it over others, simply because you've been given the option to do so.

Now, I'd sincerely appreciate it if you spared me the usual rigmarole about "content", because I've heard it and frankly, you don't want to hear the counterargument. Let's just call a spade a spade here - CODE is nothing more than a collection of tribalists.

I wonder why Mr Panoe tries to devalue his opinion with the premiss that the whole context of what he is saying is not 'real'. Even if I saw his point in comparing someone who threathens with real life violence to someone who shoots spaceships in a game, I'd feel it's still pointless after stating that one of those is not -real-.

Though at the end of the day, it's just the best justification for any malevolent action in any game. For it's not real. It's so simple and evident that the so called 'fun-vamipres' barely even bring it up in a discussion, or even debate it if the other party throws it in.


Though I would have skimmed over the post with an irrelevant premiss if I found the conclusion at the end. But since I didn't, I join in to provoke a response with the second part of the thought process - it may be revealing!

Ahhhh Brian, Brian, Brian... I was just starting to like you. Even defended you. But now you've gone and disappointed me with your Ad Hominem attacks on both me and the Alliance that I now call home. I just don't like it when people disappoint me in a debate like this because now I take the gloves off.

Now, in my analogy I never once mentioned the CODE, did I? Go ahead, scroll back up and re-read what I posted. You can do it. I was speaking broadly as to ALL of New Eden, not just High, Low, or Null Sec in particular. You might not remember the old days of EVE but way back in the day before Sov could be claimed, people would just lay claim to a star system or two, or three, or whatever, it was announced in the forums, and you had to abide by whatever rules they imposed.

That concept has not changed. Even today we have alliances and corporations that carve out their own little sections of space that is not null and they police them. This is what CODE. has done to High Sec and CODE. publicly announces this and enforces this.

You want to call a spade a spade? Then how about this (and this is how you REALLY do an Ad Hominem attack); you are a carebear and free roaming furries are not permitted in CODE Space. If I were to blast you or your ilk, I'd be enforcing the local health code.

...yeah, listen, if this is how you want to behave, I'll just talk with the other person. Thanks. :-)

Sarcasm aside, reality is what it is. Why are you offended at being properly labeled? I'm not the one who decided your actions were unsavory. Society did, long before either of us were even concepts, let alone born.

I find your second paragraph to be awfully telling, however. Aren't you trying to transfer the blame for your negative interactions with your own species on a pile of pixels that doesn't actually exist?

Physician, you're on line one with rectal pain. Might wanna tend to that. ;-)

Now, if you'd like to have an ACTUAL discussion, I'm more than happy. But if this is just going to be a back-and-forth attempt at wit, well, I think we both have better things to do with our time. Thanks for your comments. :-)

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EVE is not RL
so.. EVE can't be compared with RL

it's like trying to compare Call of Duty with what was happening in the Middle-East
it just doesn't compute

I'll play along just to humor Brian and show his assumptions are dead wrong. I'm sure he will choose to be in denial and refuse to believe it, but I don't really care what he believes. It's just a point I'm making.

Brian, irl I am a professor at a college. I hold 3 degrees, have a family, am a mother of 2 children. I spend my time helping others learn and furthering their prospective futures. Part of my work is outreach to schools and students from K-12 to organize and further STEM programs throughout the districts. I am an Interior Architect and designer by trade and a teacher by profession.

When I play Eve, I play it to "live" an alternate reality. To do the things I would never do irl. Therefore, by definition, my Eve persona is opposite of my rl persona. I'm sure this applies to many other players. Of course there are always exceptions to the rule, but that can be said about either side. To make the argument that everyone emulates their rl personalities in the game is just ridiculous. Why would one play a game just to be the same thing they are irl. Isn't the purpose to be more, or less, or different?

SO there's your exercise in humoring you..take it or leave it. I don't care if you deny it or believe it, but you should take it to heart as it discredits your argument completely.

The real-life Kaely's achievements don't surprise me. EVE seems to attract and retain a good number of professional people leading ordinary and generally helplful lives.

Even the Internet Tough Guy's façade might be masking such an individual - although his tendency to volatility is surely incapable of misinterpretation. He's unlikely to be role-playing a quick-tempered foul-mouthed bigot.

Brian has simply resurrected the old argument about the coincidence of in-game and out-of-game personalities. I suppose it was bound to rear its weary head at some point.

Should the 'CODE.' part of my character information set off a red flag out-of-game too? For the record, then; although I'm a jobbing professional Voice Actor now that I've reached my 60th decade, I have only had 2 other jobs in my entire working life, and both were professions. Quite a record these days. Neither of them involved selling Mining Permits or ganking Retrievers.

Because I'm capable of conducting myself as I do in-game, means nothing more than that. Do I care about the reactions I provoke in the carebears? Generally, no, if those reactions are within what I determine to be reasonable bounds. CCP clearly holds to the same belief.

Brian really should avoid playing video games which are likely to get so reliably under his skin. Or at least he should avoid attempting to discuss them within a forum populated by people who find it embarrassingly easy to kick over his sandcastles.

He also needs to express himself coherently if folks are to be able properly to consider his 'ideas'.

That said, I wish him well in trying to assert the unsupportable...

You seem to be missing a key point here. "Sasha" isn't a real, but neither is "Brian Paone" or any of the fictional characters or ships he might shoot. The constructs Sasha or the rest of us explode aren't real. They are imaginary characters or ships or whatever that have no tangible existence, worth or feelings. This is a game and you are not an immortal spaceship pilot.

My full house beating your pair of jacks doesn't make me a "detriment to society". That just makes me a better poker player than you (ok, perhaps just luckier). My gorilla sideswiping your Italian plumber off the road doesn't make me a sociopath - it just marks me as a better MarioKart player than you. If my golf score is lower than yours that... well you get the idea. Choosing to "oppose your own species" in a game or sport isn't something someone should be called out for. Competition and play is fundamental to the human spirit and it is something that should be celebrated.

Eve Online is a competitive PvP game where we control imaginary characters that do both good and bad things to each other. It is a completely self-contained and safe space were there are no real-world consequences to ourselves, other than what choose to let affect us. Open your mind Brian. There is no spoon just like there is no Retriever. You can only be hurt by losing something imaginary if you agree to let it hurt you. Yes, those losses are in fact real in the sense some numbers in CCP's database associated with you might tick down, but they are still just imaginary 'points' in a pretend game. If losing imaginary things or having your scorecard go down instead of up like you would prefer ever gets too intense for you, you can click the 'logout' button and all that self-inflicted angst and pain will immediately go away.

Rob is not Sasha. Rob is a consenting adult playing an immersive video game (as well as a top drawer content creator). He sometimes logs in and shoots imaginary things controlled by other consenting human beings in a single-universe and persistent Battle Royale as is intended by the game designers. There is nothing approaching immoral or depraved about this activity - it is literally the point of this video game. If you are unable to separate yourself from the imaginary space personas you control, it is you that has the issue, not Rob.