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Tengu lv3 blitz fit

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Alasdan Helminthauge
AirHogs
Hogs Collective
#1 - 2017-03-17 02:24:51 UTC
I'm going to grind some standings in the near future. I've heard that Tengu and Macherial are both good ships for blitzing lv3 missions, but I mainly trained for Gallente and Caldari ships and haven't touch Minmatar ships and projectile weapons much yet, so I decide that I'll do that in a Tengu. Can somebody give me a good Tengu fit for blitz lv3 missions? (hopefully not a blingy one)
Drake Aihaken
CODE.d
#2 - 2017-03-17 04:40:32 UTC
Your Tengu blitz fit is spelled "M-a-c-h...". Seriously, don't waste your time with a Tengu - get a Machariel.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#3 - 2017-03-17 04:45:16 UTC
Downgrade the magstabs if they're too much:

[Tengu, L3 blitz]

Power Diagnostic System II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer

10MN Afterburner II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Tracking Computer II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II

Tengu Offensive - Magnetic Infusion Basin
Tengu Propulsion - Gravitational Capacitor
Tengu Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening
Alasdan Helminthauge
AirHogs
Hogs Collective
#4 - 2017-03-17 05:00:30 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Downgrade the magstabs if they're too much:

[Tengu, L3 blitz]

......


looks good. Thank you, dude.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2017-03-17 07:07:33 UTC
Alasdan Helminthauge wrote:
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Downgrade the magstabs if they're too much:

[Tengu, L3 blitz]

......


looks good. Thank you, dude.

Shocked

That ... That ... Dude Looks Like A Lady

Blink


All joking aside, I'm wondering why there's 2x Tracking Computer II. I would think another Adaptive Invulnerability Field II module would be a better choice since there's no Damage Control module. If there's an issue with Tracking, could just replace the T2 Magnetic Field Stabilizer II with a Tracking Enhancer module.

Now I know the intention of the fit is to blitz lv 3 missions. However after gaining Agent standing, most missions will be in the same system or 1 jump over from the Agents location. As such I really don't see a need to increase warp speed and fit up 3x Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II rigs. I think plugging the hole in the shields EM resistance and add some Damage / Tracking rigs or Capacitor rigs would be more helpful.

Anyway, I mainly fly Minmatar ships so I don't know much about how other Empire ships would be fitted.



DMC
Gregorius Goldstein
Queens of the Drone Age
#6 - 2017-03-17 10:12:39 UTC
Drake Aihaken wrote:
Your Tengu blitz fit is spelled "M-a-c-h...". Seriously, don't waste your time with a Tengu - get a Machariel.


Can you enter all the level 3 missions in a Mach or are you talking about blitzing level 4 missions?
Alasdan Helminthauge
AirHogs
Hogs Collective
#7 - 2017-03-17 13:13:53 UTC
Gregorius Goldstein wrote:
Drake Aihaken wrote:
Your Tengu blitz fit is spelled "M-a-c-h...". Seriously, don't waste your time with a Tengu - get a Machariel.


Can you enter all the level 3 missions in a Mach or are you talking about blitzing level 4 missions?


I've always seen people talking about Mach the king of blitzing lv3, so I guess it can enter most lv3 mission pockets, if not all (Guristas and Angel epic arc missions excluded). On the opposite, Macherial can't enter many lv4 mission pockets, which I'm pretty sure.
Eleanor Roscommon
Bleu Femme Felis
#8 - 2017-03-17 14:32:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Eleanor Roscommon
There was post where a guy put his Tengu up against a Mach in blitzing L3s, and beat the Mach in almost every mission they ran. This wasn't just blitzing, like doing just the minimum to get the mission done, it was doing it as fast as you can with a stop watch running.

So if you're not using a stop watch, the warp speed mods on the Tengu can be replaced. The Tengu would be better with an active tank.

Any way, the "king" was dethroned. (not my words)

Eleanor


Edit: Found the posts, good reading.

Written by Paranoid Loyd, April 29, 2015:

Rail Tengu with HVO rigs (Proteus is not bad, but Tengu gets the range bonus making it better as damage projection is key)

When blitzing, you will spend the most time warping, so the bonused subsystem and the HVO rigs make T3s a very good choice for blitzing.

Also for your consideration:
Machariel
Cynabal
Raven (RHML fit with HVO rigs)
Ishtar

Good reading:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=408949
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=401998
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=345580
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#9 - 2017-03-17 15:00:13 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Now I know the intention of the fit is to blitz lv 3 missions. However after gaining Agent standing, most missions will be in the same system or 1 jump over from the Agents location. As such I really don't see a need to increase warp speed and fit up 3x Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II rigs. I think plugging the hole in the shields EM resistance and add some Damage / Tracking rigs or Capacitor rigs would be more helpful.

Anyway, I mainly fly Minmatar ships so I don't know much about how other Empire ships would be fitted.



DMC

with t3c+ dps the tank is mostly irrelevant, I'd probably swap the LSE for a medium booster and a sensor booster. Lv3s are really easy at that level and you are mostly locking targets as fast as you can and destroying them with a few shots. Also many lv3s only have a small number of NPCs so the majority of time is spent warping around.

This is the fit I have saved, I've never actually used it, but have a very similarly fit proteus.
[Tengu, l3 blitz]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
50MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive

250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Tengu Offensive - Magnetic Infusion Basin
Tengu Propulsion - Gravitational Capacitor

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2017-03-17 19:48:51 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Now I know the intention of the fit is to blitz lv 3 missions. However after gaining Agent standing, most missions will be in the same system or 1 jump over from the Agents location. As such I really don't see a need to increase warp speed and fit up 3x Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II rigs. I think plugging the hole in the shields EM resistance and add some Damage / Tracking rigs or Capacitor rigs would be more helpful.

Anyway, I mainly fly Minmatar ships so I don't know much about how other Empire ships would be fitted.


DMC

with t3c+ dps the tank is mostly irrelevant, I'd probably swap the LSE for a medium booster and a sensor booster. Lv3s are really easy at that level and you are mostly locking targets as fast as you can and destroying them with a few shots. Also many lv3s only have a small number of NPCs so the majority of time is spent warping around.

Well, I can't argue the point since I don't blitz level 3 missions, or any other mission for that matter.

Now I do use a T3 Cruiser - Loki - but that's mainly for level 4 missions, level 4 Epic Arcs, high level exploration sites, Cosmos, etc, and having a tank able to withstand the initial NPC onslaught is important. Since I travel around a lot I've reduced the amount of excess equipment to carry with me so I mainly fit an Omni tank with high resistance levels.

Course that's a different situation compared to the topic of this thread. However I still believe the rig slots could be better served with something else other than Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer rigs.


DMC
Buoytender Bob
Ronin Exploration Mission and Mining
#11 - 2017-03-17 21:00:48 UTC




Now I do use a T3 Cruiser - Loki - but that's mainly for level 4 missions, level 4 Epic Arcs, high level exploration sites, Cosmos, etc, and having a tank able to withstand the initial NPC onslaught is important. Since I travel around a lot I've reduced the amount of excess equipment to carry with me so I mainly fit an Omni tank with high resistance levels.







Could you post that Loki fit,please?

To buck the popular trend, I began to Rage Start instead of Rage Quit.

...and every time I get another piece of Carbon, I know exactly what CCP is getting this Christmas.

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2017-03-17 22:19:03 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Buoytender Bob wrote:

Could you post that Loki fit,please?

Well, it's not a standard T2 fit and it's fit up expressly for PvE content. It's bling fit with T2, Faction and Deadspace mods.

http://i.imgur.com/g4Ctgwn.jpg

I also carry 2x small secure containers in the cargohold filled with T2 / Faction munitions and various modules / sub systems to change from combat mode to scanning mode to cloak / nullified mode.

Also I should add that since I do Shield fits I have my Clone fit with Hardwired Implants to help improve stats on most of my ships.

Hardwired Implants :
Slot #6 = Zainou 'Gnome' Shield Upgrades SU-605 = 5% power grid reduction of modules requiring Shield Upgrades skill.
Slot #7 = Zainou 'Gnome' Shield Management SM-705 = 5% bonus to shield capacity.
Slot #8 = Poteque 'Prospector' Astrometric Rangefinding AR-806 = 6% stronger scanning strength with scan probes.
Slot #9 = Zainou 'Gnome' Shield Operation SP-905 = 5% boost to shield recharge rate.
Slot #10 = Zainou 'Deadeye' Rapid Launch RL-1005 = 5% bonus to all missile launcher rate of fire.


DMC
Buoytender Bob
Ronin Exploration Mission and Mining
#13 - 2017-03-17 22:41:39 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Buoytender Bob wrote:

Could you post that Loki fit,please?

Well, it's not a standard T2 fit and it's fit up expressly for PvE content. It's bling fit with T2, Faction and Deadspace mods.

https://i.imgur.com/sD5TUr1.jpg

That link doesn't show it but there's 5x T2 Light Drones equipped as well. I also carry 2x small secure containers in the cargohold filled with T2 / Faction munitions and various modules / sub systems to change from combat mode to scanning mode to cloak / nullified mode.

Also I should add that since I do Shield fits I have my Clone fit with Hardwired Implants to help improve stats on most of my ships.

Hardwired Implants :
Slot #6 = Zainou 'Gnome' Shield Upgrades SU-605 = 5% power grid reduction of modules requiring Shield Upgrades skill.
Slot #7 = Zainou 'Gnome' Shield Management SM-705 = 5% bonus to shield capacity.
Slot #8 = Poteque 'Prospector' Astrometric Rangefinding AR-806 = 6% stronger scanning strength with scan probes.
Slot #9 = Zainou 'Gnome' Shield Operation SP-905 = 5% boost to shield recharge rate.
Slot #10 = Zainou 'Deadeye' Rapid Launch RL-1005 = 5% bonus to all missile launcher rate of fire.


DMC


Can't tell if you are the giraffe or one of the cats.

To buck the popular trend, I began to Rage Start instead of Rage Quit.

...and every time I get another piece of Carbon, I know exactly what CCP is getting this Christmas.

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2017-03-17 22:48:58 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Buoytender Bob wrote:


Can't tell if you are the giraffe or one of the cats.

I changed the link, hopefully it works.


DMC

EDIT :
I don't know why you can't view the link but just in case here's the fit with my stats :


Loki Sub Systems :
Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network
Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

6 High :
1x Utility
5x 425mm AutoCannon II -w- Hail M = 492.1 DPS

6 Mid :
1x Gistum C-Type 10MN Afterburner = 809 m/s mobility
1x Pith X-Type Large Shield Booster = 746.3 HP's every 3.2 s
2x Pith X-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
2x Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field

4 Low :
1x True Sansha Power Diagnostic System
1x Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer
2x Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer

Drone Bay - 50m3 with 25 Bandwidth :
5x Hobgoblin II = 99 DPS
2x Hammerhead II (Reserved)
1x Salvage Drone I

Rigs :
1x Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
2x Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II

Total DPS = 591.1
Max Target Lock Range = 68.75 km
Total EHP's = 38,094
Defense = 1652 ehp/s repaired
Shield Resistance = 91.6% EM, 86.5% Thermal, 79.8% Kinetic, 83.1% Explosive
Capacitor = Stable @ 49%
Signature = 130 m


Those are EFT stats which are a little different from in game stats. I've completed all 4 Empire Epic Arcs with that fit and there's only 1 mission that I can't complete solo. That's the very last mission of the Caldari Epic Arc due to the Perma-Jam done by 4 Elite NPC Cruisers. Usually I just have a friend warp in and after those EWAR NPC's are destroyed, the mission is completed very quickly.


DMC
Alasdan Helminthauge
AirHogs
Hogs Collective
#15 - 2017-03-18 01:53:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Alasdan Helminthauge
I got some 51k ehp from the first Tengu fit, so I guess for the sake of safety, I should try to fit something like a Moa to 51k ehp on Sisi and drop it to the mission pocket (maybe a lv3 blockade), then disconnect, reconnect and see whether it's still alive. I lost quite a lot VNI (30k ehp) when I was doing lv3 missions due to socket closed immediately after warping into the pocket, and I don't want that happen to a Tengu.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2017-03-18 04:46:02 UTC
Alasdan Helminthauge wrote:
I got some 51k ehp from the first Tengu fit, so I guess for the sake of safety, I should try to fit something like a Moa to 51k ehp on Sisi and drop it to the mission pocket (maybe a lv3 blockade), then disconnect, reconnect and see whether it's still alive. I lost quite a lot VNI (30k ehp) when I was doing lv3 missions due to socket closed immediately after warping into the pocket, and I don't want that happen to a Tengu.

Yeah, a Shield Buffer fit will definitely give it more EHP's but it's passive shield recharge won't hold up under a large amount of sustained incoming damage. Also a Shield Buffer fit gives the ship a massive increase in ship signature size which makes it a much larger target that can be quickly locked and easily hit. Another aspect of a Shield Buffer fit is it will attract attention from nearby NPC groups a lot more compared to a Shield Boost fit.

Course all of that doesn't really matter if you can dish out enough DPS to quickly remove threats from the field. Something your ship fit should be doing if you intend on blitzing missions.

Anyway, I wasn't trying to sell you on doing an active shield tank. I posted the Loki fit for Buoytender Bob.


DMC

Alasdan Helminthauge
AirHogs
Hogs Collective
#17 - 2017-03-18 05:09:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Alasdan Helminthauge
I know how hard the Tengu can tank with active shield tank. I have a fit that can tank some 2000+ dps with X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster and all T2/meta modules. But the problem is that my connection can be very unstable sometimes, so if it responds 1 minute later after I click the module, my ship may already become a wreck. Thus, for missioning where I don't expect to lose my ship to the rats very often, I prefer passive shield tank or stable active armor tank.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#18 - 2017-03-18 05:17:34 UTC
Alasdan Helminthauge wrote:
I know how hard the Tengu can tank with active shield tank. I have a fit that can tank some 2000+ dps with X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster and all T2/meta modules. But the problem is that my connection can be very unstable sometimes, so if it responds 1 minute later after I click the module, my ship may already become a wreck. Thus, for missioning where I don't expect to lose my ship to the rats very often, I prefer passive shield tank or stable active armor tank.

then you might want a fit with a pithi or gistii small shield booster, it is pretty easy to run a small booster on t3c cap, and it will tank a ton of dps compared to lv3 missions. My lv4 tengu runs a b-type pithi small booster, and with the speed tank can easily tank full room aggro in almost evey lv4 mission with an EM and Invlun.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

Alasdan Helminthauge
AirHogs
Hogs Collective
#19 - 2017-03-18 05:31:28 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
Alasdan Helminthauge wrote:
I know how hard the Tengu can tank with active shield tank. I have a fit that can tank some 2000+ dps with X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster and all T2/meta modules. But the problem is that my connection can be very unstable sometimes, so if it responds 1 minute later after I click the module, my ship may already become a wreck. Thus, for missioning where I don't expect to lose my ship to the rats very often, I prefer passive shield tank or stable active armor tank.

then you might want a fit with a pithi or gistii small shield booster, it is pretty easy to run a small booster on t3c cap, and it will tank a ton of dps compared to lv3 missions. My lv4 tengu runs a b-type pithi small booster, and with the speed tank can easily tank full room aggro in almost evey lv4 mission with an EM and Invlun.


Will my ship continue orbiting after I lose connection?
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#20 - 2017-03-18 05:44:58 UTC
typically it should try and warp off on a disconnect. Lv3s have very few warp scramblers so I'm not usually too worried about it. Also since the small booster should be cap stable the tank should last till you can log back in.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

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