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Barghest farming c6 long range
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Kendra James
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2017-03-14 10:14:12 UTC
Hi there
Anyone knows fit for barghest to farm c6 solo?
I know it includes FOF missiles and zephir to pick loot but still struggles to setup fit
Servant Lord's
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2017-03-14 12:28:06 UTC
You can't solo c6
Amak Boma
Dragon Factory
xX SERENITY Xx
#3 - 2017-03-14 13:27:30 UTC
well depends what he means if multiple accounts but same person then yes = solo ...

do this. get raven with cruise launchers get missile guidance computers and missile range script then ballistic control units rigs for missile damage

have a raven and zephyr pilots. then warp zephyr 100km from site he make bookmark. zephyr warps to citadel/pos and warps 100km from bookmark landing 200km from site, setup next bookmark warp raven in anf start slaughtering [surely you want more sniper ravens due to extensive rr between sleepers] use zephyr to loot wrecks.

guerilla mode - 10 manticores and dst/hoarder with stocked bombs [expensive not practical and time consuming alot) just bomb sleepers do same steps with sephyr but shorted range bookmarks so you can land from sleepers with bomb fleet in bombing range.
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be aware that this is how i was ninja stealing sites in c5/c6 space with solo ravens and zephyr alt this takes too long and easy to gank you . use these methods at your own risk because there are bettr and safer ways to run sleeper sites in c5 an c6 and raven style is just very bad,its working but dont do it.
Jonn Duune
OpSec.
Wrong Hole.
#4 - 2017-03-14 19:37:06 UTC
Kendra James wrote:
Hi there
Anyone knows fit for barghest to farm c6 solo?
I know it includes FOF missiles and zephir to pick loot but still struggles to setup fit



Your best bets are to do it with a raven, or a golem, and apply FOF cruise missiles at extreme range.

But to be honest, you're much better off running like c3 sites solo, as it will net you more isk/hr. The people i know who used to do c5 sites like that with a raven said it would take them over an hour, sometimes an hour and a half to do that, you can make that much isk out of c3s without anywhere near the kind of setup needed for that.

My name is Jonn Duune, and I wholeheartedly support the message posted above.
Andrew Indy
Cleaning Crew
#5 - 2017-03-15 05:04:54 UTC
I thought CPP fixed this issue.

But yes as people have said Running high end sites in a low DPS ship is often worse than a Lower sites with a higher DPS ship. Assuming this does work the reason i would do it would be to clear Gas sites, they have lower EHP and the isk is in the gas.

There was in fact a spread sheet on the forms that had ISK/EHP of all of the sites and the ISK/EHP is pretty much the same for most sites. So it really boils down to how easy it is to apply that DPS (C2/C4 have range issues, sites with more frigs take longer per EHp ect), the number of sites you have access to and your DPS.

An example of this is a rattle snake in a C3 takes about 11min per site, C4 sites are 40min but the sites are not worth 3-4X more.
Jonn Duune
OpSec.
Wrong Hole.
#6 - 2017-03-15 16:13:35 UTC
Andrew Indy wrote:
I thought CPP fixed this issue.

But yes as people have said Running high end sites in a low DPS ship is often worse than a Lower sites with a higher DPS ship. Assuming this does work the reason i would do it would be to clear Gas sites, they have lower EHP and the isk is in the gas.

There was in fact a spread sheet on the forms that had ISK/EHP of all of the sites and the ISK/EHP is pretty much the same for most sites. So it really boils down to how easy it is to apply that DPS (C2/C4 have range issues, sites with more frigs take longer per EHp ect), the number of sites you have access to and your DPS.

An example of this is a rattle snake in a C3 takes about 11min per site, C4 sites are 40min but the sites are not worth 3-4X more.



the only real trick is to get the sleepers to aggress you, otherwise the FoF missiles don't work so well.

My name is Jonn Duune, and I wholeheartedly support the message posted above.
Amak Boma
Dragon Factory
xX SERENITY Xx
#7 - 2017-03-15 19:30:37 UTC
use cruise missiles not fof
Andrew Indy
Cleaning Crew
#8 - 2017-03-16 04:26:31 UTC
Jonn Duune wrote:



the only real trick is to get the sleepers to aggress you, otherwise the FoF missiles don't work so well.


I think there was a point where you could stay outside of their aggression but still shoot them so you needed 0 tank, have a feeling that has been changed but I think you can still do some sites if you are outside of DPS Range and keep on moving (NPC frigs would make it very hard so maybe sites with no frigs like Instrumentals).

No expert though, I normally just face tank the sites with a fleet (C5 not C6).
Kines Pavelovna
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2017-03-17 01:30:18 UTC
Andrew Indy wrote:

There was in fact a spread sheet on the forms that had ISK/EHP of all of the sites and the ISK/EHP is pretty much the same for most sites. So it really boils down to how easy it is to apply that DPS (C2/C4 have range issues, sites with more frigs take longer per EHp ect), the number of sites you have access to and your DPS.

An example of this is a rattle snake in a C3 takes about 11min per site, C4 sites are 40min but the sites are not worth 3-4X more.


The spreadsheet is this,

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17cNu8hxqJKqkkPnhDlIuJY-IT6ps7kTNCd3BEz0Bvqs/pubhtml#

The delta on ISK/EHP as you move from c3 to c6 is only 46. If you cherry pick it's down to 26. So assuming static dps you make approximately 22 to 12 percent more ISK per minute in a c5/6 then in a c3.

The important variable is volume. A single c3 with many sites will have something like 800-1200 mill in loot. While a c5 with only 10 Oruze sigs has 1600 million in blue loot alone. So you can pack more ratters, or more high activity ratters, into a higher class system then a lower.
Andrew Indy
Cleaning Crew
#10 - 2017-03-17 06:15:07 UTC
Kines Pavelovna wrote:


The important variable is volume. A single c3 with many sites will have something like 800-1200 mill in loot. While a c5 with only 10 Oruze sigs has 1600 million in blue loot alone. So you can pack more ratters, or more high activity ratters, into a higher class system then a lower.


And that's not including the drifter, You get like 500-600MIl per site on average including the drifter so 10 average sites is like 5-6Bil.

Really depends on fleet size, if you have to nerf your DPS just to scrape through a site its not worth it. If you have several accounts and can field the DPS then higher sites are great due to the large ISK per site and less sites to salvage ect.

One thing that the spread sheet does not show is the ISK/EHP per site excluding towers EHP. Tower are hard to kill and unless you cant tank they are not worth killing.
Colonel Tosh
The MorningStar. Syndicate
#11 - 2017-03-17 07:48:23 UTC
Amak Boma wrote:
use cruise missiles not fof


The trick of this setup is to operate outside of sleeper activation range. Cruise Missiles will never reach that distance (400km+) while being able to lock people (250km max). Hence FOF missiles.
Zolka Lando
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2017-03-17 18:27:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Zolka Lando
This does still work with a raven/bhargest with fof cruise missiles, you warp in get initial aggro then warp back in at 400+ and fof them down. Due to the very long range needed you can pretty much only do this effectively in black holes. It is a pain to do and pretty bad isk per hour tbh.