EVE General Discussion

the alpha and f2p plan failed

it should be just free to play all the way and for increased skill training sub..

also gankers should be banned permanently for griefing of any kind and afk cloaking.

The availability of information makes the game less enjoyable.

Employment history, API's, Killboards.

It's so heavily engrained into the game's culture that using it as a reason to express displeasure is tech 2 blaster ammo.

There's been some good points, some stupid points and more in this thread.

Just some random points....

... PCU has been consistently estimated to be between 8 and 12% of the total subscriber count. When your business are people in your server, you want more people, not less. Having 35% less epople on the server should be taken seriously.
... indirect sources also point at less people playing the game, specially language channels which provide a cross section of all EVE demographics
... forcing people out of highsec is stupid. They will leave the game and not just highsec.
... there's a serious chance that the new NPE is driving players away at a faster rate than before.
... there is no simple one-size-fits-all solution to EVE's decadence, but certainly repeating the past according to the old farts' rose colored memoirs is not going to help
... CCP is just making it worse because they didn't knew well enough who pays the game back when they comitted to the current development plan, which allots insufficient resources to many people and that people leaves the game faster than the development effort attracts new players
... even worst, the current plan was supposed to require just 3 years to implement (Winter 2013 - Winter 2016), and yet it's on its way to be 7 years long at best (if CCP/EVE last that long).
... as opposed to most of its history, EVE Online faces competition from other space themed MMO games. At least one of those games is outperforming EVE on some accounts, like financially, graphically and being multiplatform, and haves something ahead which EVE hasn't had in years: a potential to expand into a large and unused niche.

My intuition tells me that later this year the ownership of CCP will change hands, probably via the entry of new majoritary stakeholder(s) while Hilmar and other old farts bail out. The company is 20 years old, its VR department looks like a greater fool could buy it before the VR fad vanishes and certainly CCP have made their best to put some lipstick on the EVE pig.

And then my friends things will get really interesting, as in "may you live in interesting times"...

thats just the root problem of it all.. which ccp fails to inform these alpha's they'll never ever beat these guys just cause of time invested.. they wont even catch up. its almost as if ccp is trying to sell a bad vacation trip into hell.

Do you want to loose all PVE players?

The opposite has to be done : move lvl 5 to high and let Concord react everywhere the same second someone is attacked and give concord a 20k+ alpha so PVE without interfere of the strange guys with strange hobbies(PVP) will accur....

THAT'S the solution not make PVE even MORE difficult...

Yes, making HS safer and more boring is a great way to increase subs.

And current customers are just as important as new customers. The current customers are paying just like a new one.

Agreed except for missions...mostly. Any number of players can use the same agent, hence agents are kind of like public goods. So there is really no competition for the benefits of an agent.

There can be some PvP related to missions such as ganking bling fit mission ships or grabbing the mission specific loot item, but other than that they are largely PvP free.

All other "PvE" activities carry with them varying degrees of competition, and thus I consider them PvP.

Suppose it is not....that does not necessarily invalidate the point being made. Jonah Gravenstein has made the point that he is not here for pew pew, but he does find avoiding people who do want to shoot him fun and challenging. PvP in HS does not have to a choice between 0 or 11. There is a range and perhaps it is too low.

Your post is flawed because you insist that NEW players WANT PVP......
And prefer to "loose it all in a single blow" to "have fun"....

That maybe WAS the case lets say 5 years ago....
But todays "nanny games" that don't let you loose anything show that the market has changed to these type of games......

Like it or not...it' remains fact....

No matter how many "nanny games" there are, there is only one EVE.