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Alphas and F2P Have Failed

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Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2017-03-10 18:46:22 UTC
Torin Corax wrote:
Jebidus Skari wrote:


I have to jump in here because even for me a vet get tired of hearing 'go fight for it, nothing to stop you' New players cannot fight against 500 super caps, or 20000 man coalitions so please stop saying that is rather annoying.

I mean lets talks about Goonswarm couldnt win in the last war and you expect new players to do the same? Really?
What should that new player do? wait 10 years and perhaps have a chance? I guess they can ask nicely right?


Or, perhaps those new players could actually join an existing null sec alliance and take part in stuff.

What is this argument I see that new players haven't got a chance to topple existing Null sec alliances? Of course not, if Null sec alliances were that easy to topple there would be no point being a null sec alliance.

Everyone was a new player once. You learn, you grow, you make friends. One day you will be the person at the top driving your enemies before you. It takes time, but nothing good ever comes easy. Of course it all depends on whether the player has the skill, knowledge, dedication, charisma and drive it takes to run a large entity....I don't, but then I have little interest in running a 10k+ alliance.


i think i've fallen in love with you :thinking:
marry me pls Cool
Akrasjel Lanate
Lanate Industries
#22 - 2017-03-10 18:49:17 UTC
But EVE is still a sub based game Roll

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude

Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2017-03-10 18:49:46 UTC
Milla Goodpussy wrote:



today you cant even get a sub-cap decent fight without someone, there's always someone escalating and pushing the iwin at caps button. they do this each and every time, matter of fact most of those guys refuse to fight on normal levels unless they outnumber the opposing foe by 75 or more!.



i think that i will stop here... or i'll try to convince you guys for all the rest of the thread xD
dropping caps... so????

- batphone is a weapon too
- allies is another weapon (even only subcaps)
- training for caps is another way
- adopting a doctrine that gives the middle finger to caps is another way

-etc etc etc


i'll stop here i promise Ugh

Milla Goodpussy
Garoun Investment Bank
#24 - 2017-03-10 18:56:33 UTC
Soel Reit wrote:
Milla Goodpussy wrote:



today you cant even get a sub-cap decent fight without someone, there's always someone escalating and pushing the iwin at caps button. they do this each and every time, matter of fact most of those guys refuse to fight on normal levels unless they outnumber the opposing foe by 75 or more!.



i think that i will stop here... or i'll try to convince you guys for all the rest of the thread xD
dropping caps... so????

- batphone is a weapon too
- allies is another weapon (even only subcaps)
- training for caps is another way
- adopting a doctrine that gives the middle finger to caps is another way

-etc etc etc


i'll stop here i promise Ugh




lol

batphone who? a large mega-coalition that can rival the attacker's capital fleet? oh thats right ccp told me i can easily get sov.. the small guy has a chance..

- allies?? from who?? the same mega-coalition thats attacking me?
- train for caps.. sure its faster to get into a dreadnaught but these guys are attacking us with supers, fax's, and titans.. they also just deployed a fortizar for rapid deployment and eventually a keepstar for total power grid control.. small guy still has a chance right? alpha's can come and save the day right? needless to say train for caps takes up to 75+ days in a short time yes! this can be done lol
- what doctrine defeats caps on that level?? none that i can think of except more capitals..lol

the alpha program served its purpose.. it brought a few new guys in, but once those new guys figure out eve and how its played they leave. i too have noticed how we're slowly going back to normal range of active players.. what went wrong?
Torin Corax
Iron Inquisition
Hisec Miners
#25 - 2017-03-10 18:57:01 UTC
Milla Goodpussy wrote:




today you cant even get a sub-cap decent fight without someone, there's always someone escalating and pushing the iwin at caps button. they do this each and every time, matter of fact most of those guys refuse to fight on normal levels unless they outnumber the opposing foe by 75 or more!.


Nothing new about this. It's been around longer than I have that's for sure.

Ask me about batphoning a drunken Titan pilot to come gank a nano fleet (back in the nano*** vagabond days), when Doomsdays wiped a grid.
Fair? Perhaps not....but it was funny as ****. I love drunken titan pilots with a sense of humorTwisted

Hot dropping has been around for as long as cynos...granted caps are relatively cheap nowadays, and considered pretty much disposable. this is an economy issue perhaps and has nothing to do with Alphas.
Milla Goodpussy
Garoun Investment Bank
#26 - 2017-03-10 19:16:58 UTC
Torin Corax wrote:
Milla Goodpussy wrote:




today you cant even get a sub-cap decent fight without someone, there's always someone escalating and pushing the iwin at caps button. they do this each and every time, matter of fact most of those guys refuse to fight on normal levels unless they outnumber the opposing foe by 75 or more!.


Nothing new about this. It's been around longer than I have that's for sure.

Ask me about batphoning a drunken Titan pilot to come gank a nano fleet (back in the nano*** vagabond days), when Doomsdays wiped a grid.
Fair? Perhaps not....but it was funny as ****. I love drunken titan pilots with a sense of humorTwisted

Hot dropping has been around for as long as cynos...granted caps are relatively cheap nowadays, and considered pretty much disposable. this is an economy issue perhaps and has nothing to do with Alphas.



ahh yes the art of hot-dropping made easier by ccp.. which alpha's true alpha's have zero chance against.. thanks to the likes of ccp fozzie.. i can pull right up beside them in a cloaky prospect and hot drop hell on earth onto the new bros... reassuring they will never ever come back to null sec again... no mass limits, the only struggle i have is making sure i have enough cyno juice

working as intended..

the funniest hot drop ive witnessed was dropping a nyx on 1 single ratting battleship.. all cause it was a fair..

Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#27 - 2017-03-10 19:17:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
The problem is that null-sec f*cks with every area of space. They antagonize wormholes and low-sec whenever it suits them, unbalance Faction Warfare, exploit high-sec income with alts then gank and burn everything for kicks. POCOs were supposed to generate content but all that happened is null-sec (once again) monopolized it. And what about Citadels in high-sec? That's a null-sec cartel controlling the free market in Perimeter.

As for the funniest hot drop, that had to be the one where I had several carriers (including a Revenant), dreads, a slew of battleships, T3s and other assorted ships dropped on my sole Thanatos. Nothing like overkill or whoring for a killmail...

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Scovia Aumer
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2017-03-10 19:17:52 UTC
I imagine that a large number of Alphas was turned away when there was 8 year old players who was shooting wardeced alphas in rookiezones. Sure it is like shooting fish in a barrel but still is a ****** move and will turn people away.
Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2017-03-10 19:23:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Soel Reit
piemmed you milla!
Cool

am i the only one that laugh so much when i read in the patch notes:

Relaxed the throttling on giving orders to Fighter Squadrons. This should result in less occurrences of busy squadrons during high APM usage.



and start imagining HIGH APM USAGE in a battle of 3k people in 10% TiDi?
are the devs trolling or at what kind of game are they playing atm instead of eve?
Cade Windstalker
#30 - 2017-03-10 19:25:16 UTC
It's not all that surprising that numbers are falling around now though. They've fallen in late winter/early spring every year since the massive influx in winter 2009.

Plus we're still a good 5-10k above the monthly average for the six months right before Ascension released.

IMO it's still way too early to declare that Alpha Clones and this F2P experiment have 'failed'
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#31 - 2017-03-10 19:29:11 UTC
Soel Reit wrote:
piemmed you milla!
Cool

am i the only one that laugh so much when i read in the patch notes:

Relaxed the throttling on giving orders to Fighter Squadrons. This should result in less occurrences of busy squadrons during high APM usage.



and start imagining HIGH APM USAGE in a battle of 3k people in 10% TiDi?
are the devs trolling or at what kind of game are they playing atm instead of eve?


The high APM situation they are talking about right now is carrier/super ratting.
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#32 - 2017-03-10 19:30:09 UTC
mkint wrote:
Progressing past rookie is mostly a matter of getting lucky and finding a corp that doesn't suck...

This.

Everything else is just the colour hue of the icing on the cake.

Remove standings and insurance.

Milla Goodpussy
Garoun Investment Bank
#33 - 2017-03-10 19:37:20 UTC
Soel Reit wrote:
piemmed you milla!
Cool

am i the only one that laugh so much when i read in the patch notes:

Relaxed the throttling on giving orders to Fighter Squadrons. This should result in less occurrences of busy squadrons during high APM usage.



and start imagining HIGH APM USAGE in a battle of 3k people in 10% TiDi?
are the devs trolling or at what kind of game are they playing atm instead of eve?



i honestly cringed reading that patch note

my mind went "da fuk dey zink dey doin"
Vic Jefferson
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#34 - 2017-03-10 19:57:41 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Extend a Premium Insurance option to Omegas to cover T2, T3 and Faction ship hulls and ease the transition to low-sec.


Loss is among the only things that makes EvE unique from other games. Everything is already too cheap, too easy to replace thanks to the current era of nothing being scarce. EvE needs to play to it's strengths more - an unabashed, unrepentant universe that does not hold your hand.

I miss the old Aura. She was literally the voice of a sardonic, indifferent universe, the dystopia we all love and want to return to.

Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X.....XI.....XII?

Kaybella Hakaari
State War Academy
Caldari State
#35 - 2017-03-10 19:58:08 UTC
Torin Corax wrote:
Milla Goodpussy wrote:




today you cant even get a sub-cap decent fight without someone, there's always someone escalating and pushing the iwin at caps button. they do this each and every time, matter of fact most of those guys refuse to fight on normal levels unless they outnumber the opposing foe by 75 or more!.


Nothing new about this. It's been around longer than I have that's for sure.

Ask me about batphoning a drunken Titan pilot to come gank a nano fleet (back in the nano*** vagabond days), when Doomsdays wiped a grid.
Fair? Perhaps not....but it was funny as ****. I love drunken titan pilots with a sense of humorTwisted

Hot dropping has been around for as long as cynos...granted caps are relatively cheap nowadays, and considered pretty much disposable. this is an economy issue perhaps and has nothing to do with Alphas.


I disagree about it having nothing to do with alphas. That kind of economy issue has to do with everyone trying to pick a fight, which includes alphas.

Batphoning a drunken titan pilot is a perfectly good answer, but it requires the guy with the batphone to have a drunken titan pilot friend. If you can't beat them, join them-and that's why big alliances keep getting bigger and starving for content between wars. Nobody small wants to fight them because it will end badly.
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#36 - 2017-03-10 20:03:52 UTC
Vic Jefferson wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Extend a Premium Insurance option to Omegas to cover T2, T3 and Faction ship hulls and ease the transition to low-sec.


Loss is among the only things that makes EvE unique from other games. Everything is already too cheap, too easy to replace thanks to the current era of nothing being scarce. EvE needs to play to it's strengths more - an unabashed, unrepentant universe that does not hold your hand.

I miss the old Aura. She was literally the voice of a sardonic, indifferent universe, the dystopia we all love and want to return to.


I didn't play back them but I'm unsure I want to go there so "we all" is incorrect.
Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2017-03-10 20:04:21 UTC
Kaybella Hakaari wrote:
Torin Corax wrote:
Milla Goodpussy wrote:




today you cant even get a sub-cap decent fight without someone, there's always someone escalating and pushing the iwin at caps button. they do this each and every time, matter of fact most of those guys refuse to fight on normal levels unless they outnumber the opposing foe by 75 or more!.


Nothing new about this. It's been around longer than I have that's for sure.

Ask me about batphoning a drunken Titan pilot to come gank a nano fleet (back in the nano*** vagabond days), when Doomsdays wiped a grid.
Fair? Perhaps not....but it was funny as ****. I love drunken titan pilots with a sense of humorTwisted

Hot dropping has been around for as long as cynos...granted caps are relatively cheap nowadays, and considered pretty much disposable. this is an economy issue perhaps and has nothing to do with Alphas.


I disagree about it having nothing to do with alphas. That kind of economy issue has to do with everyone trying to pick a fight, which includes alphas.

Batphoning a drunken titan pilot is a perfectly good answer, but it requires the guy with the batphone to have a drunken titan pilot friend. If you can't beat them, join them-and that's why big alliances keep getting bigger and starving for content between wars. Nobody small wants to fight them because it will end badly.


i mean.... i tried to tackle a titan with my astero.... went as expected! had to warp out Cool (the titan) Cool
000Hunter000
Missiles 'R' Us
#38 - 2017-03-10 20:24:22 UTC
Meh, just make it F2P and able to get all skills and stuff, just start selling stuff! for RL iskies!

EVE is P2W anyways.

Offcourse this will never happen! Enough suckers (like me) who will keep forking out the subscription fee. Big smile

I do wonder what would make them more iskies... paid subscription or paid content.
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#39 - 2017-03-10 20:36:01 UTC
000Hunter000 wrote:
Meh, just make it F2P and able to get all skills and stuff, just start selling stuff! for RL iskies!

EVE is P2W anyways.

Offcourse this will never happen! Enough suckers (like me) who will keep forking out the subscription fee. Big smile

I do wonder what would make them more iskies... paid subscription or paid content.


The core game design would make such approach really bad. What would you sell anyway?
Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2017-03-10 20:41:47 UTC
000Hunter000 wrote:
Meh, just make it F2P and able to get all skills and stuff, just start selling stuff! for RL iskies!

EVE is P2W anyways.

Offcourse this will never happen! Enough suckers (like me) who will keep forking out the subscription fee. Big smile

I do wonder what would make them more iskies... paid subscription or paid content.


obviously paid for content is more lucrative!
you have plenty examples all around the game scene...

question is another one tbh:
- if it's obviously working as intended (iwill opt for this option Cool ) then devs are doing godly work!
- if money are not the object (dream on kids) and they are actually try to improve the gameplay... then devs are emh.. what are those words...? ah yea HARD WORKERS Cool.