EVE General Discussion

3rd time lucky... I won't be holding my breath.

If subscribers don't want to PvP, why are they playing a game that is first and foremost a PvP game?

Lets not forget that PvP in Eve isn't limited to shooting each other in the face.

Wrong, every system in Eve is designed for PvP, CCP have specifically created mechanics such as crimewatch to facilitate PvP being possible in every single one of the player accessible systems.

Yeah great idea, CCP should dumb the game down to the extent where hisec is essentially a PvE realm and the game becomes just another generic MMO set in space, and is doomed to fail like all the other spaceship games that were going to kill Eve.

I think there are un-tapped people who like games that treat them like adults, yes. Even in this day and age, there are people who like a challenge.

No I can't say for certain that CCP backing off some of the hand holding will make a difference at this point, but who knows. CCPs big mistake imo was trying to expand EVE out of it's niche rather than just trying to make it the best niche game it could be and making some separate mainstream offerings for people who want that.

Seems like business wise they are on the right track with Phoenix and maybe Nova and the other things they are selling.

A single product protfolio is kinda bad tho. As long as they run on one income source, they are always withing one real bad expansion of being in major troubles.

i perfectly know that.
but keep doing errors like dust etc.... i mean they are clearly investing eve's income in other games....
do you think that customers don't notice that?

if they keep getting flops like dust then...
not only they'll lose those new games... but even EvE due to not enough investiments to keep it up due to competition

and yea... generally we can only watch right? not our business sadly

It's Teckos and he already had a meltdown on a thread like this before. Poor fellow. There's a lot that Teckos and I have in common except I beat my demons instead of becoming one.


Notably this thread appears to touch on the topic of the "safety of highsec" and the PVP across the board from highsec to null, with the usual argument of that PVP.

I just returned from a business trip to Germany where I get to be a user of the train systems there, and also hear of some shenanigans going on, such as an ax attack.

Admittedly the line running from say Mannheim to Frankfurt was NOT camped with angry fellows (religious or not) looking to get all stabby or axy.


Why?

Because those who do it do it one time. That's why.

So we have a problem here where the sov/PVP/risk-reward zones are a kind of "wild wild west" but highsec is a broken wild west where the bad guys are back in 15 minutes to keep doing it again.

What, ultimately, is the difference? Well in the civilized world you pay a lot of money in taxes. If you work in say a city that is relatively safe and you can expect your stuff to be where you leave it if you take your eyes off it for a minute, you are going to pay goodly sums in taxes.

But if you want to make some bank out in the middle of nowhere and rake in all that you want from your efforts, someone can lay a bullet into your brain stem with a sniper rig and take all your stuff.

The difference is that the person who does that in the city is going to be hard pressed to do it again if they get return fire or put in a cage.

See the difference? Rigged game and the HTFU crowd banks their e-peen on it. Potential players see that and go somewhere else.

Were it up to me™ I would make highsec very safe: no gate activations and no docking rights for criminals, at any time, any place. Criminals' clone vats automatically plunked to lowsec too. So there.

But the taxes of highsec would get VERY high. Like Negan level "half your sh!t". So if someone wants to suck little rocks all day for pesos or multibox missions for a month to afford one PLEX, then there is no need to brand them a carebear and make them suffer: the tax rate makes them suffer. But there won't be so many criminals either and the noobs can incubate.

Of course such a move goes against the fox in the henhouse mindset of the community... or what's left of it. It's nice to be able to log in for free and sell stuff off.

Agreed. You don't even need to tax. PvE only means are not competing in PvP so their isk has no bearing on the PvP scene. Who really cares if some guy in high has every ship in the game filled with purples in his hanger and a trillion isk in his wallet. All that means is higher prices in high sec which is what null needs to create its own industry.

True dat. Inflation is a tax as well.

Imagine if highsec had tariffs on all those goods moving through there to pay for all that policing and all that keeping baddies out?

NAHHHHH what's half of (what's left of) the player base going to do without Jita?

Sure. Make all in game abuse automatically permanently bannable to.

The Carebear threats that relate out of game (eg. wishes that people die, that their families will be hunted, etc.), make all those Carebears automatically kicked from the game forever.

Do that and none of the 'winding up' you cry about can ever happen, because everyone left will be people able to control their emotions.

Then make all out of game blogs (and I assume you also mean other forms of out of game communication too, not just blogs) against the rules.

I know which group will whinge the loudest about all that...as always, the Carebears.

The other thing to that comment is its much more reasonable given this is not RL to use the 7,000 pure PvP systems to PvP in. Apart from war decs leave the people who don't want to PvP alone in their 1/7 of the space you have, go play with your capitals, citidels and all the other rewards you get for PvP'ing in those 7,000 systems. The more people that are paying IRL money to play the game the more money CCP gets and the more toys and systems that get added. Since its a game it really shouldn't be bothering people that some choose the carebear life, at least not to the extent it seems to bother some people in this thread, surely this is just a sideline thing you do in your greater life and not your greater life.... I hope.

Someone hasn't been exploring in hisec. What do you call it when you get in a race to kill the last rat in a hisec anom? It's a contest, and most definitely PvP, even if you and the other guy both (usually) leave with your ships.

Do we want to take that out too?