EVE General Discussion

On thing that is never talk about when it comes to rewards and low sec is history.

CCP noticed early on that low sec was unpopular. So low sec because one of the places that got new "content" 1st. Lvl 5 missions were an explicit attempt by CCP to make low sec attractive. They failed, and not just because of the bug that allowed people to generate lvl 5 missions in high sec (that took 4 years to fix, you STILL hear some people talking about 'bring lvl 5s back to low sec) lol.

Likewise, it was no coincidence that Faction Warfare was planted firmly in low sec. After that, there came YEARS of CCP stuffing new PVE content into low, clone soldiers, the addition of all the high sec DED complex levels to low sec, the expansion of the DED 4/5/6 loot tables (dropping the BEST deadspace loot in the game, pithum and gistum invulnerability fields and the like), and the way certain exploration sites appear more frequently there than anywhere else.

None of it worked, so if someone is suggesting "more rewards" for low sec, they should look at the history (and the history of null too). More rewards don't mean more people, it means organized groups go in and find a way to farm. Those organized groups are great at keeping people out, meaning LESS people will come out to low, not more.




What would I do. for people who know me this might seem surprising, but I'd add a version of CONCORD to low sec.

Not "blap them off their field" super magical high sec CONCORD, a new division of CONCORD that acts like the NPC Mining Operations (mining operations protect you if you have proper standings, though this new division would not be standings based). If someone attacks someone else illegally in low sec, these new NPCs would spawn and HELP the person being attacked, with remote repairs and/or some DPS and/or EWar against the attacker(s) (or maybe even something fancy like opening a wormhole entrance on grid for you to escape into if you can just get to it lol).

But, unlike high sec CONCORD, these npcs could be killed and don't have magical Dommsdays and such. And their spawns would be super random, from a few frigates to a squadron of battlecruisers (to simulate the idea that these police NPCs couldn't be everywhere at once).

IMO the problem with low sec is that the safety cliff is TOO steep, Low sec isn't any safer than null, gate guns and station guns are non issues. So as I said above the fix is a little bit of NPC help, not a lot, but enough to even up the odds for well prepared players.

this.

i dont really see any need to change much in lowsec apart from add in pirate faction warfare

It still has to benefit the game itself. No cynos and CAP in LS mean a lot of stuff currently happening there right now is gone. Do you really think all those activities will be replaced? DO you think enough people will flow to LS because it now has no cynos to replace those that will leave LS because there are no more cynos? I personally doubt it but if you have some info that could convince me otherwise, you are free to show it.

For the second time.

What, exactly, do you propose yourself towards that?

yes

Hmm, so lets consider examples:

1) John is on his return trip from HS, through LS to NS, in his JF (or other hauler) filled with goods, and gets caught (by some miracle) before he can warp/cyno out.

Suddenly random CONCORD ships show up, repair him, attack/ewar aggressors, and give him a wormhole opportunity for escape! Hurray! John is saved!

2) John is doing the same, except cynos/warps in from NS with tasty cargo for tasty HS markets and gets caught (by some miracle). Hurray! Random CONCORD fleet to the rescue!

3) Bob, the LS hauler is attacked by an NS sourced aggressor! OH NOES THIS IS ILLEGAL! Random CONCORD appears. NS doesnt like that. So they cyno drop a super fleet past the LS border, ontop of CONCORD and the LS hauler. Nomnomnom!

Dont get me wrong, Im glad you finally, for once in your life, attempted to make a suggestion of change.

But now perhaps you see what its like to be critiqued, and how much consideration it takes to make a suggestion.
Youve done a great deal of poking convenient holes in other suggestion, now you perhaps see how easy that is as conpared to producing one yourself.

No more yelling Malcani's Law at everything from the peanut gallery. Your own suggestion violates it above.

Your suggestion makes it EVEN easier and safer for NS entities to transfer their material to and from HS markets.
Good job, Jenn..

Having said that, if your suggestion is implemented alongside removing cynos, JFs, and supercaps from LS, it will assist the purpose of fixing LS.

A) as mentioned you will just ruin the economy with such a drastic change. moving caps in safety has always been a thing.

B) that hasnt really been an issue since before jump fatigue was introduced, was it even an issue then?

C) insult the intelligence of this thread? you asked for my ideas so i gave them to you, is faction warfare in lowsec? yes, does my list only affect fw players? no it affects anyone living in lowsec. i live in lowsec as a pirate which means i dont participate in faction warfare however i do slide into fw plexes for pvp and i do gatecamp so i get gateguns, and i would like pirate faction warfare. i know the difference between the 2 but they affect people regardless if they are fw or not.

A) This material is not being destroyed sufficiently, anywhere, in transit.
Hence, Jita.

B) Yes, I understand your question/point about overall destruction, but that is currently happening after most of the constituent materials have passed through Jita atleast once. Note: Through Jita. Not other markets.

C) Material transport is so safe, hence cheap and easy, across all sectors and by various mechanics, that a disproportionate amount ends up in Jita, no matter how far its origin.

D) Jita is strangling the diversity/localisation/opportunity of sector/region markets.
This is not a result of player behavior. That is only a symptom.

The problem is LS not functioning as a barrier between HS and NS.

A) How will more local markets ruin the economy?
Jita, and the feeding safety of material transit across sectors, is ruining the economy.
Are you not aware of Jita/Forge stats?

Also lol at "moving caps in safety has always been a thing".
You should be flogged and tarred for that.

B) Jump fatigue plays no part in securing a JF in a Citadel/station.

C) LS and FW LS are as distinct as NPC/Player NS.

Thanks, fafo.

Your response proves Im infact on the right trail to save EVE.