EVE General Discussion

How i would fix lowsec:
Make gate guns remember who they were shooting at and give them smarter AI.
Dissentivize bigger blobs somehow.
Dissentivize kiting with snake set mordus ships.



PVE wise lowsec is the best in eve. (with exception of sov anomalies, truesec burners in -1.0, and
They get all the ore anomalies you can get in NPC high,low and null with all the ores., they get 4-6/10s (cruiser deadspace mods are best); the difficulty is high but meh balans.
The belts have no high end ores but they have faction, hauler, mordus, and clone soldier spawns which is lots of farming opportunities.
Level 5 missions.
Faction warfare farms. (the PVP aspect is sov lite.)

Overcrowding is a player issue and can be very hard to balans because you're trying to balans features with utility functions that vary from individual to individual and may not always be logical, efficient or something like that.
Trying to balans for players always ends in disgruntled players.
Can always get worse with bubbles :) Imagine lowsec with bubbles. Now forget about it.

Do you like aggressive engagement? I enjoy red safety lights and golden pod debris showers.

Personally I'd like to see the following in low sec.

Create more "fast" content in low sec. By this I mean basic PvE that is relatively quick to complete and which can give a (semi) reliable return on the time invested. In my experience one of the most popular activities ( outside of FW) in low is exploration, this is primarily because it can be done with small, fast and cloaky ships, which allows for reasonable survivability. This is an area I think could be built upon in low sec to encourage PvE activities....the more PvE in low, the more oportunity for PvP.

Moving Lvl 4's to low sec is largely pointless, way too much risk involved to be worthwhile in most areas. Add in the predictability of location ( agent location/ stations etc.) and it's just going to be too much hassle...may as well run lvl 3's in HS. Perhaps moving all Burner missions to low sec could be looked at though, again this would be more in keeping with small fast ships, possibly in gangs, with slightly improved rewards.

Base-line mineral changes- I'd go for nerfing HS mining across the board, with perhaps only Veld/ scor available in high sec.
This however would only be useful if ore size was looked at for the rarer ores (only available in low/ null) to, again, allow for more efficient mining in smaller ships ( looking straight at the mining frig family here). I'd even go so far as to ask for Mercoxit spawns in low sec, in small quantities, to make for a more exciting/ interesting mining experience in low sec. Low-sec mining could then be a get in- get out fast activity with a decent pay-off, even after lost time due to dodging hunters is factored in.

Ultimately I enjoy Low sec at the moment, but I'm fully aware that my decision to base (most) of my isk making there is hampering my efficiency....this is a decision that I made to allow for a more interesting and engaging PvE/ PvP experince....However, that choice is not for everyone. I am fully aware that I could very easily earn considerably more isk/ hour in high sec with almost no risk or effort whatsoever beyond the need to stave off boredom.

That is the problem, HS is just too profitable for the safety it affords. There is no incentive to got to low sec, with the possible exception of dedicated explorers, to make isk.... this needs to be changed. HS PvE should be the worst isk source in the game, not amongst the most reliable and effective.

Focusing on activities that allow for greater profits for small, fast and survivable ships is imo the way to go for low sec. Newer players may then decide low sec is worth a go because they don't need a blingy BS to make decent isk, or to exceed HS Lvl 4 income with relative ease.

Oh, if CCP want to remove Capitals from low sec ( except JF's) I'm ok with that...I hate caps

I've never supported such ideas, trying to force people who are in a voluntary situation (in this case, a video game) to do somehting never works and just builds resentment. High Sec needs adjusting not killing.

I've said it before when talking about Incursions. It's not a problem that high sec incursions exist, it's a problem that they are so good that many incursions runners are in fact alts of low sec and null sec players who use it as a safe way to generate a huge income instead of generating income in their own space where they would at least be vulnerable to counter play. The irony is that "High Sec Incursions" aren't really high sec pve content, they are NULL SEC PVE CONTENT , because that's where the money goes...

The same principle applies to all of high sec. In a more balanced situation many people would still choose high sec because they are casual and don't have much time to play or they aren't interested in spending time dodging the kinds of pvp that happen outside high sec. Nothing wrong with that, the problem is that high sec is so easy and profitable enough that it attracts people who otherwise WOULD have gone to low/null/WH space but don't because there is literally no need.

Everytime I say the above, high sec partisans reject it, but that's just because they are dumb. What I've been saying for years is NOT that high seccers need to be forced out of high, but that NON-high sec players shouldn't be tempted to play in high sec because it's too good to ignore.

In a way, someplace in EVE is going to be the crappiest place to live, so might as well leave it low-sec. Unless the blob mentality can be addressed, the big groups will kick everybody in the teeth and the solo players will run and hide a lot.

I hate DSCAN and that it the primary reason I hate hanging out in low-sec. Constantly clicking a box and reading a list while doing something is very immersion breaking and tedious. I would prefer a active/passive radar system instead, but that would make for a full rewrite of code, so forget that idea for now. In WH and Null it isn't as bad since it is more laid back, but in Low, being mostly transit systems, it is game breaking just enough to not make me want to go and hang out there.

Except every time you buff null-sec it gets abused to h*ll, so the only real solution at this point is to nerf high-sec income so that ther's an actual incentive to move beyond high-sec. There's also no way to prevent null-sec alts from abusing high-sec income mechanics, either - which is another reason high-sec income needs to be nerfed.

Strange how every time one looks at a broken aspect of the game it's always being unduly influenced or outright f*cked over by null-sec. CSM monopoly... null-sec. Power creep... null-sec. High/low-sec space abuse... null-sec. Mining abuse... null-sec. it would be really interesting to see what would happen if null-sec players (and their alts) were actually forced to live and work out of null-sec...

I'm not saying I'll like it - I won't initially. But I'll find a low-sec corporation to join and pay them a tidy sum for protection so I can continue running the activities I like. It might end up being even safer than high-sec... A lot of players will b*tch and moan - even threaten to quit. But most will adapt and probably be the better for it...

Oh...they'll move beyond high sec all right.

They'll move right out of EVE.

Love it or hate it, high sec needs to have reasonable rewards. High sec players are people, not puppies. If you smack them with a rolled up newspaper, they don't stop peeing on the floor. They find a new place to live that will let them pee on the floor.

And also love it or hate it. EVE can't survive a mass exodus of players, which is essentially what you are suggesting CCP do to itself.

Mr Epeen

There has already been a mass exodus of players since Ascension - nevermind the steady decline we've been seeing for the past few years. If EVE is not already at the tipping point it soon will be. Instead of f*cking around with Fozziesov, blundering Citadels and the continued see-saw with capitals (jump fatique, rorqual mining, fighters) - they needed to be focusing on the outstanding issues in the game, ie: NPE, PvE, FW, module/ship tiericide and rebalancing.

Lower than low, lower than NPC null, lower than sov-null, lower than WH.

Was I too honest?

They have the right idea with the variable bonuses on the industrial arrays.

The entire game right now is too hinged on big-ticket content with big-ticket objectives, leading the actual number of people with hands on the 'generate content' levers to be really small. CCP keeps making this worse by repeatedly focusing on regions which lend themselves to this sort of play, while whole-sale ignoring regions which should empower small, scrappy entities. Hi-Sec being more profitable than it should be is a band-aid which be painful to remove until they fix Low/NPC null.