EVE General Discussion

1) FW LS and LS, are different.

2) HS-NS material transport will never stop, and it MUST travel through LS unless they find WHs.

3) If cynos/caps are removed from LS, you wont believe the amount of sub-cap freighters that suddenly appear moving the material through gates, rather than cynoing past you.

4) You will be drowning in a ceaseless flood of sub-cap valuable freighters and targets.
It will be a pirates paradise, both for PvP and raw real value.

You clearly don't have any idea what it takes to develop a market in Eve, and you can't have "bad" products in Eve, so that point you made is bogus. And while every system in Eve can have a station with a market in it, putting up a market in every system is not very efficient, nor does it mean that it will be profitable.

Be silent then. Notice that CCP has been cracking down on things you can do solo except trading and mindlessly easy canned exploration. Shhhhhhhh.

Yes there's a market in every system.

I recall back in 2008 the crew camping the Parts system was selling shuttles for 8 million a piece.

No you don't have to. You can wait for any WH into HS or WH chain into HS. Safe WH (chain) will appear in specific system at least once per week if you have connexes to get this information or players who can search for it.

Wut? lol WHs have nothing to do with cyno - its the other way around. You don't need WH (chain) because you can simply use JF to get the goods in and out. WHs are now only for those who didnt skilled JF yet. Because traveling through gcs is pain already and while I can use Blockade Runner to get past gc, it doesn't have too high cargo and sometimes you need to bring ships and minerals to the LS. The problems you claim that will happen if cyno will be removed from ls are problems already. But only to those who can't afford JF or can't fly it. But then there are backdoors in form of WH who solves the issue the only disadvantage is that you must wait till they appear as opposed to bring a JF every day at same time.

Who am I, how long do I play and what I do is not relevant to the discussion. But I play long enough and tried all types of space and all activities you can do in this game except POS maintaining.


This is why Im not using main character on this forum anymore. Unless you propose something which makes it easier to destroy ships players like you will start digging on you telling you that you don't play 10 years as they do and you know nothing about this game, mocking you, your killboard or even telling you that you should not play this game as its obviously not for someone who plays how you play.

So mature!

rip lowsec

what salvos is proposing is making it easier to kill ships...im a gatecamper and know his ideas are buffing gatecamping to the high hills and giving me a ton more industrial kills which will break the game.

no! being immune to be dropped by blops and capitals while i gatecamp a major traffic route is not a problem right now, removing cynos makes my gatecamping immune to suprise drops means i set up a couple of alts an my shiney ships will NEVER be killed while i farm anything that comes into my system.

if you run a large logistics operation for a half decent lowsec or null alliance waiting a week for a wormhole from LS-HS or NS-HS to restock a market with ships after a loss from a fight is not a reliable solution!

how long you have been playing and what you do is relevant because you dont know what youre talking about and the other comment proves you also feel its stupid to move any sort of industrial via gates in lowsec, let alone 10+bil worth of jump freighter and cargo which is pretty much like moving an unfitted carrier by gate through blackrise.

Is it? All I see in this thread is that you scream that without cyno you can't destroy enemy gc because they will always run from you and dock on station. Which is reasonable to expect if they get scouts behind every gate out of the system. Because as we know, PvP in eve is always about advantage - you know their gc composition so you take ships that counters them, stronger ships or just drop a capitals on their heads. And if you can't drop capitals on their heads and they will see you coming in double their count sure as hell they won't stay on that gate to fight you

I don't think that removing cyno from ls will suddenly drag industrials and missioners into gates. Those who does pve or industry in ls live in some abadoned ls that is not on any main route or fw. Main hs entry ls gates are already camped 23/7 and therefore anyone who lives in hs and flies to ls to do a mission knows its a bad idea already. Nothing will change in that.

Also, players now needs JF to move their goods to trade hubs because there is no demain in ls right? Lets break it why there is no demand why there are no customers.
1) local market doesn't provide enough stocks of what you want or doesn't offer what you want at all
2) offer is scattered amongs multiple sectors, its easier to buy all things on trade hub in hs and get it to ls with JF than to fly to 5 sectors to get what you want
3) items on the market in ls are (far) more expensive than in trade hub in hs
4) given to 1,2 and 3 players don't buy from local market
5) given to 4, players don't sell on local market because nobody would buy it anyway
6) even ls lone wolfs usually have the opportunity to request anything they want from trade hub by local JF supplier for a little extra ISK. those in corp have this opportunity almost everywhere - you order we bring it

Due to this market in ls is next to non-existant.

But if cyno wouldn't be allowed in ls this all might change. We can't know what will realistically happen if this gets implemented, all of this is a theory craft. It can be the dark scenario you presented but it can also establish a market in lowsec. All we know is that there will be:
- harder to get goods in and out of ls
- massive increase in pirate gangs in ls

This could create an opportunity for anyone able to make ships and fits inside the ls to sell them on local market. This could therefore bring more industry corps to supply pirate gangs with their ships. This could make an opportunities for all the small-scale traders running in blockade runner/interceptor or moving through WHs.This could allow ns alliances to sell their minerals on ls market because industrials can't really mine in so dangerous space. Thats how I see it.

Your gatecamp WILL get attacked by HS-NS entities which want to transit their materials, and other LS entities which want to camp the gate themselves.

Gates will become conflict drivers.

You are grossly undervaluing the sheer mass of materials that will gate transit after cynos/caps are removed from LS.
That content/value is currently cynoing right over your head. You will be drowning in targets, and you will have to compete for control of the gate.