EVE General Discussion

1) Touche. So be it. This change doesnt affect that link at all though.

2) Primarily, it removes the overwhelming cap force of NS from LS. WH corps cant hotdrop through a WH. It will sure as hell increase pirate numbers in LS, cos they dont have to deal with cynos/caps, just sub-cap combat.

3) Why/how would you be "forced" to escort trade runs? Ofc you will demand payment for your service, or not do it.
You dont have to escort anyone. Blow them up instead, if you wish.

4) Gatecamps already do that. But post-change, they will also have to fight escort fleets with far more lucrative cargo seeking to clear the gate. I agree that it would be constant fights for gate control, but since its sub-caps, even a smaller LS Corp can bide its time to secure transit of its own materials, or clear the camp.

5) Lets be real, gatecamps are what LS is all about. The gates are conflict drivers (currently bypassed by cynos, or wiped out by cap drops).

6) I dont believe local pve will be all that impaired, and they can bide their time and make deals etc.
The HS-NS transiting enormous wealth is far more interesting.

For me... lowsec is all about FW. Gatecamps are something that take away from that. What increasing the number of gatecamps does is make it more annoying for everyone who's not in the gatecamps. While in part that's null groups transporting goods (which is what you're shooting for) it's also... everyone else in lowsec. That's PVE players, indy groups, and FW players. Gatecamps are almost never target specific... they blow up the loan rifter or venture that they can catch just as much as they do a freighter. They make travelling more difficult for everyone.

I engage in PvP in FW... in plexes. It's small group or solo, which is what I prefer. Gatecamps for me are a hassle I have to work around (and I generally can). Making them more frequent is a disincentive for me to deal with lowsec as a player who currently spends about half his time there without engaging in trade runs or gatecamps.

It feels like the main impact of what you're suggesting is to change lowsec into a zone where the primary action is moving supplies and protecting them vs gatecampers pirating them. It would seriously put breaks on industrial/PVE/FW operations due to the larger number of gatecamps that would pop up (due to their being more targets). It might increase traffic through lowsec, but would lower the actual RESIDENCY. Small lowsec industrial corps would be better suited in Null as part of larger alliances who can provide escorts for freighters and better minerals for manufacture. FW (and those preying of FW plexers) might get more solo/small gang pvp in wormholes rather than in low sec due to gatecamps making moving around FW space more difficult. PVE types might have too much trouble getting through gatecamps in their mission fit ships and instead run lvl 4's in HS or anomalies in null.

This already happens. My change, does not change that.



This too, is already what LS largely is. Except cynos enable JFs and other cargo vessels to bypass gates, and caps/cynos allow dropping overwhelming force ontop of any attempt to intercept it.



Lack of cynos/caps doesnt put a break on those. (as in two quotes above).
Gatecamps already exist. The number of gatecamps is irrelevant, since cynos jump past them as is now.



1) LS pirates will naturally become residents.

2) Small LS industry corps would frankly, already, be better off in NS alliances (and its arguable how muxh of LS is already essentially NS front corps)

3) FW and WHs are separate. If FW players want to raid a WH, they can still do so, as they can now. My change doesnt change that.

4) As above, gatecamps already "prevent" mission fit ships from moving in LS.
A PvE fit while traveling is always a bad idea, anywhere in EVE.

if ccp wanted to make transit of materials harder they would not have introduced citadel mechanics

Oh yes it does.

You want to bring in materials to build a cap ship, best way is JF.

You want to get ships in for your lowsec PvP corp, best way is JF.

You want to mine and manufactures stuff from moon goo? Best way to get it out is with a JF.

You want to get market stuff out to nullsec, or get back to highsec from nullsec, you have to light a cyno in lowsec!

Why dont you spend some time really living most of your life in lowsec or even nullsec to get this understanding?

However, if you want to ban supercaps from lowsec, and possibly even capitals...that might make thigns rather interesting. :)
Veeery interesting indeed!
Price of marauders, battleships, and T3's would go up, bashing pos's would be harder, the major lowsec power blocks such as Shadow Cartel would have to move to nullsec or seriously rework all their doctrines and tactics to a point that they might collapse, and give an opening for many more pilots who dont fly capitals to thrive in lowsec. :)

I remember the days when convoys to move stuff were a thing - along with security for them through space. I was too new to be a part of it, but I have seen endless posts and descriptions about it. The effort a corp/alliance had to put in it, and the things that happened around it. It was on the level of being at war, and a corp could get its back broken on poor planning or poor security.

Of the many things that killed lowsec, JFs was one of them.

what? so only jump freighters can be used in null also now?

No, there isn't. Yes, there are 3400 NS system.. NO the vast majority aren't viable for JF transport. Just because you can fly a capital through it doesn't make it viable for use. Flying a JF in and out of Null-sec isn't just a snap of your fingers and "poof" you are safely in null-sec or high-sec. It already take a few people and some planning to do it successfully.

In addition, in order to make Low-sec more viable it NEEDS cynos and caps. It needs to develop an industrial base, and you can't have that if you can't import and export materials and goods. And you can't have an industrial base without people, and you can't have people without some measure of safety and convenience. And once you have more people, then and only then do you get more content.

answer my question, are proposin to ban jump freighters from lowsec?

Why not?
And where would you live instead?