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Empress Jamyl I was not a clone. Jamyl Sarum was a Royal Heir and capsuleer who piloted a capsule without a transneural burning scan interface. She died, or more accurately, committed Shatol'Syn.
Later, when the Elder Fleet decided to unilaterally break treaties, sabotage CONCORD, and sneak into the heart of Amarr, God chose to intervene and return to us the light of Divine Retribution in the form of Jamyl I alongside a holy force the likes of which were never seen before and have not been seen since (No, current technology still does not match the scale of this weapon).
For the uninitiated, there is an important doctrine known as the Doctrine of Sacred Flesh. This states that Royal flesh is sacred, and cannot be cloned. This prevents any Royal heir from being cloned.
Shathol'Syn is a rite in which upon the succession of on heir to the throne, all remaining current airs must sacrifice their own life and a new heir for that family is chosen.
Being a capsuleer does not require one to be a clone.
There are three possibilities for such a heresy to have occured, the following situations would have to take place.

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Unknown Heresy

1. Without the knowledge of any other family, CONCORD, Amarr authority or faithful citizen, supporters of Jamyl Sarum would have to retrofit her capsule with a transneural burning scan interface.
2. Without the knowledge of any other family, CONCORD, Amarr authority or faithful citizen, supporters of Jamyl Sarum would have to setup a covert contract in a secure location with a clone on standby.
3. Upon her death, Jamyl Sarum's neural scan would have to be transmitted (without any trace) to the secure facility.
4. After her clone-birth, Jamyl Sarum would need to be kept from anyone who was not part of the cover up.
5. The technology for the super-weapon used upon Jamyl Sarum's return would need to be developed, without the knowledge of any Royal family (including the Sarum Family), CONCORD, Amarr authority or faithful citizen.
6. Jamyl Sarum (or someone close to her) would have to know of a plot to attack The Empire to allow her to return with justifiable cause, lest her heresy be discovered
7. The Theology Council would have to never find a reason to question any of the people involved in this matter (If you believe there is a faithful Amarrian who can keep a secret from an Inqusition by The Theology Council, you have further issues)
8. Jamyl Sarum is prepared and has found a discreet path back into the heart of Amarr in preparation for the Elder Fleet attack
9. All Imperial subjects are kept in the dark and the only evidence is hearsay and speculation

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Unspoken Heresy
All of the cloning steps above, but somewhere between her return and present she was discovered.

1. The Theology Council punishes the returned Jamyl Sarum for her heresy, yet keeps her status as impure and no longer sacred a secret from all other authorities (or all authorities know but are also able to keep it a secret from the rest of the cluster)
2. The Theology Council allows her to become the Empress in direct violation of one of the Amarr's most important doctrines.
3. All Imperial subjects are kept in the dark and the only evidence is hearsay and speculation

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Unpunished Heresy
All of the cloning steps above, but somewhere between her return and present she was discovered.

1. The Theology Council judges that the returned Jamyl Sarum is not a heretic, despite her having broken one of Amarr's most sacred doctrines.
2. The Theology Council keeps her status as impure and no longer sacred a secret from all other authorities (or all authorities know but are also able to keep it a secret from the rest of the cluster)
3. All Imperial subjects are kept in the dark and the only evidence is hearsay and speculation

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Of course, there is another, simpler option that doesn't requires hundreds if not thousands of co-conspirators who are equally capable of keeping such a grand scheme under wraps.
Jamyl Sarum was returned to us by Divine Intervention at a time of need, and with a weapon the likes of which have never been seen before or since. Only the wayward minds of the weak, corrupted or unfaithful are unable to see that this is clearly the truth of the matter.

From what I have discovered Ms Lesharc is cementing her status as a heretic speaking such trash. H.E.R.E.T.I.C.


Yes, Ms Vess, I would rather enjoy unleashing my hounds upon this Sabik.

Time after time, it is told how your cults seek for the savants to raise humanity up. And yet when you have been given a clear example to be witness of one, you doubt it?

How little faith you have, Sani Sabik. How. Little. Faith.

In the interests of presenting a diverse range of opinions on the issue, I'll offer what, to me, seems to be the off-the-street perspective in the central Federation. This doesn't per-se represent my own opinion, obviously.

After the succession trials following the death of Emperor Heideran VII in YC105, it is thought that Jamyl Sarum probably was restored, either by her own wish or otherwise, from a backup scan of her mind by a group of loyalists to her. This would explain how she "got away" with a burning scanner in her pod (she didn't). A bolder opinion I've heard is that she was never Jamyl at all, but just someone else in her cloned body, which would explain her change in personality.

Evidently, herself and her close associates had access to resources outside of the public eye, which both gave her advance warning of the construction of the Elder Fleet, and the weapons that she used to defeat it. After the assassination of Doriam Kor-Azor, it seems likely that she specifically calculated her famous counter-attack to occur in such a way that she would be cast publicly as a saviour of the Empire and propelled to power, because otherwise she would have intercepted the invasion closer to the border and not in the Throne Worlds, where it would be more spectacular.

After that, public opinion, combined with an atmosphere of populism in the cluster as well as a power vacuum that had been festering in the absence of an Emperor, left the Theology Council in a position where it would be politically inexpedient to reject her ascension or declare her in violation of the doctrine of Sacred Flesh. Or as you put it, declare her a heretic.

I am supremely thankful that the Late Empress, unlike these speculative rumors, has been lifted above base concerns and set to Her final rest.

Except that it happened at the inauguration, and caused a stir because it was done prematurely, before she had named a successor. All the royal families were in attendance.


If a body is made by God, it is not a clone. Clones are created by science, not God. Rumours are still rumours, regardless of when they started. ((OOC references are OOC))


I was a witness to this terrible calamity that befell our Empire. I saw her pod. I saw her corpse. There are literally hundreds of capsuleers and hundreds of thousands of Amarr subjects that that bore witness to this event.

So proof is needed for Jammies being a clone, but no proof at all is required to make the claim "God made it"? Come now, that's less of a leap of faith and more a drunken tumble down mount dumbarse.

It'll never cease to amaze me how little respect you are willing to show Jamyl as a shrewd and skilled woman - opponent in my case - and instead attribute her skillful machinations to some completely unheard of 'miracle', on top of bending Occam's Razor into a corkscrew to fit the twisted narrative. I'd gladly have mounted her corpse as a hood ornament on my ships if I could, but at least I respect the cunning and strength she had as an opponent enough not to discount her actions just to fuel the denial.

The worst part is that you're not even daft enough to think it's believable. You know that we know you're lying through your teeth and somehow think this is how it should be. That a unified public lie is the right thing to do.

Jammies damn sure was no miracle nor Sani Sabik. She was a truly extraordinary woman who achieved extraordinary things as the Empress, and it's frankly disgusting that her enemies are the ones who have to speak of her with simple honest respect.

I saw an old janitor deftly pull a five-credit Ishukone chit from behind a kid's ear once. Damnedest thing. It probably bought her and her friends ice cream and sweets for days, too.

Clearly lacking proper Caldari upbringing; I'd have taken the fairy money, and then pointed out how pedestrian the trick was.