Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So the Nestor is cool and all, but there's a niche that isn't being filled. Perhaps it isn't being filled for a specific reason (that pesky "balance" thing that everyone's always complaining about).

I'm not talking about changing the Nestor. But I am talking about a logistics battleship. Faction-wise it would make sense for it to be a SOE ship.

I don't think anyone would disagree with the concept that the fleet with better logistics will (and should) win pretty much any engagement (assuming that both sides don't have solid logistics lol). Where logistics is involved, you can either alpha things off the field or you can break their logistics. If you cannot do either, the only smart thing to do is warp off - especially if they can break your logistics. I don't personally believe that there should be any exceptions to this, because it rewards the decision to bring logistics and create a more dynamic grid.

I'm envisioning a SOE Black Ops Battleship. One with no damage bonuses. One whose greatest weakness would be capacitors... specifically:
- Very low recharge rate
- Prevented from receiving remote cap transfers
- Large capacitor capacity (its not a limitation exactly, but see below for justification)
- Assuming the programming isn't impossible, their optimal cap recharge would be at 35%, meaning that making a jump would be extremely taxing on them.

Strengths:
- Bonuses to shield and armor remote reps
- Bonus to large sized remote rep cap usage
- The usual BOB bonuses (125% movement while cloaked, etc)
- Unbonused drones for making sure they get on the killmail (aka lots of drone cargo space).
- Fairly solid resist profile, allowing multiple Logi-bobs to synergize well together, at least for a short time
- can fit a Warp Disruption Field Generator (for utility!)

These limiters on their cap would make them quite vulnerable, especially right after jumping. They'd have enough capacity to start repping, but GTFO would be very hard for them as they'll need to use their cap for remote reps (specifically it forces them to commit to a fight). Once the fight is over, their cap boosters or passive recharge would let them get home or ready for the next drop. Specifically for justifications of the large cap, it not only makes exfiltration harder but it gives them enough cap to run their reppers for a short time after they jump without NEEDING a cap booster (although one would be pretty much essential to a non-****-fit).

It would also maintain the balance that BOBs are not meant for long term engagements or "fair" fights, as these could be neuted out fairly quickly, meaning they have a very simple counter for almost any doctrine.

The reason I suggest it is because then they'd be able to take more fights than they currently do, which I hope would then see them used more.

If they could take more fights, then maybe they would see more use in strategic hit-and-run ops rather than just hot-dropping on ratters and small-gang roams.

I'm sure the first response will be to use T3Cs. Personally, I hate T3s and I can't wait for them to get over-nerfed and bask in that glory. In the meantime however, I offer this: They don't have jump drives and need to be bridged.

The reasons for this LOGI-BOB over a T3C:
- Inclusion of a jump drive provides for the other BOBs to no longer fit a bridge (more flexible fitting for the BOBs)
- The LOGI-BOB would be able to field larger reps for a shorter period of time (enough to rep through the burst of say a carrier)
- GTFO becomes very different (such as waiting in-system until your cap recharges enough to jump out)
- Their larger reps mean they're more suitable for smaller gangs (same throughput as a larger gang including a higher count of T3Cs)

The reasons for a T3C over a LOGI-BOB:
- They aren't going to be starving for cap on jump landing
- They're faster and smaller
- More traditional GTFO options available (such as refitting and going gate to gate)
- Able to sustain reps for longer, albeit at a lower throughput
- Bombs hurt BS a lot more than they hurt cruisers


Thoughts? I've seen most BOB pilots say that BOBs are currently one of the best-balanced ship classes in the game (a sentiment I agree with in concept). I don't seek to mess with that balance... at least not much. I just want them to see more use in strategic operations, which may open up additional gameplay involving them. Since a strategic operation will generally be against hardened objectives, logistics makes them more viable.

Example engagements:
- When you're doing entosis, having these on standby to ambush a response fleet
- After a battle, having these ready to intercept the remnants of a retreating fleet / prevent reinforcements
- While roaming, having a group of these jump into space behind a response fleet, dragging them away from the gate camp waiting for the roaming fleet
- Rapid response for tackled caps, either offensively or defensively (we've tackled a carrier, need to defang it and hold it before it kills the tackle, conventional fleet is en-route but won't arrive in time) or (our cap is tackled, need to jump in and hold off the enemy fleet for a few minutes while the carrier pilots get organized)

FFS no one calls them BOB
the need to bridge utility ships is what keeps blops balanced
T3Cs use large reps.... reping through carrier burst is not an issue if you were not alphaed even a t1 logi can rep you back to full before the next salvo




neither is a blops unless you are an idiot who never actually flys them
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how are more traditional gtfo options a plus? the need to put a blops into vulnerability for 20s or go gate to gate is a downside
do you even use these in blops gangs? even a BB that could not recive remote cap would have a better sustained rep then a T3 in a blops gang.
if you are getting bombed in a blops gang you ****** up so bad i have to wonder what you were even doing

OMG that day I agree with Cade did come unexpected.

The Blend- errm Nestor is a fine ship and as all the other pirate faction class ships, she has a unique ability and unique traits.

The devil is with everything you don't look at in the details, Overpowered.

The Nestor has the lowest mass of any battleship in New Eden and not New Eden. The remote rep ability is not a main feature of the ship but for after-action repairs.
The low amount of mass allows the ships a mobility that is only matched by a nano-fit machariel and Fryin- errm Barghest.

BoB is the Saint Patron of wormhole-ians and he protects them (or not) and shall give good loot (or not).

Make it a normal battleship wish usual battleship bonuses but give it the cloak movement speed bonus and a covert ops cloak.
If the asteros and stratios are meant for wormhole data and relic, this would be for wormhole combat sites.


1. 4% armor resistances per (amarr example)
2. 7.5% armor repair amount (galente example)
3. Weapon bonus
4. Weapon bonus

Can fit covert ops cloak
Role bonus:
625% bonus to movement speed while cloaked (total you get from the black ops ships at 5. Or lower it to 500 even)
50% probe strengths

No cyno stuff
Seems to make sense to me.

Or just quit beating around the bush and give soe caldari bonuses since they're clearly caldari themed ships and look nothing like a gallente/amarr faction

Can I say microwarpdriving speed or is it too obvious?