EVE General Discussion

1) I cant speak to the universal market index system by CCP.
Im nor sure what you mean that faction warfare purchased items have zero value, but Ill take your word for it.
That is a problem.

2) BPC/Os cost only the cost of creating a contract for them. You cant market sell them, you can only contract sell them.
I dont think the proposed HS cargo value tax % shouldnt apply to BPCs. They are impossible to price, as they arent sold like other commodities.

Contracts are a peculiar separate market, and whilst anything and everything can be sold by contracts, BPC/O and rigged ships are (afaik) the only units that can only be sold by contract. (Caveat: Contracts Vs Market: Ill think about that)

3) How do Leopards have zero value in the index? They should be valued at universal index value.
If the index is ******, thats a CCP problem.

Due to Citadel asset recovery cost index, EVERYTHING should have a market based recovery cost, from LP items, to Leopard gift items, to Titans.

4) I dont understand your last two sentences. Can you please elaborate/explain them?
"And it's actually not so difficult to regulate such things alliance level. API shows contacts and payments. It's easy enough to connect points in case of some misbehave between contractor and courier."

So if I have this right, me moving my **** via gate will incur a charge based upon my cargo value?

First, why should I get charged for moving my own ship stash around?

Second, I can use a JF to get my stuff out of highsec and WH to get valuables in.

But if this is just a contract thing its easily avoided using the tools I just pointed out.



We can avoid it rather easily and it doesn't make hauling stuff any harder, especially out of Jita.

No. if its your own property, or given to you. it costs you nothing.
It its someone else's packaged goods as a contract delivery in your hold it is cargo taxed as a % of the delivery packaged value, per jump in HS.

Maybe it is just two people... but even if it were only two people, that doesn't invalidate the idea. The whole point of discussion is to share ideas and get feedback. I think at the very least it's an interesting discussion. I have genuine interest in other points of view. I don't think this needs to be a discussion where one idea "wins". If there were to be any real changes, it would likely have the input of a lot of different parties and a discussion is simply a small part of the broader picture.

OP, these posters are afraid of the obvious.

They want to wreck this thread, rather than engage its topic.

Sure, keep doing that, but with a 0.1-0.5% cost of contracted delivery cargo value, per jump in HS

Or entrust a hauler with your cargo directly, paid before or after.
Before meaning you carry the risk, and after meaning the hauler carries the risk.

It makes hauling of contracts, more expensive the further it reaches in HS.

Its like you didnt read the thread.

How close are you to Jita?
How willing are you to haul your own load?
Why do you head to Jita?

Lets not lie, everyone goes to Jita.

That doesn't make it harder, just more expensive


And most use a JF to bypass gates entirely when supplying null and low. You plan doesn't work on the big boys and the organised.

Its nuts how you present that as a good thing, as somekind of justification.

Especially since this proposal doesnt affect JF at all.
It only affects cost of delivery contracts in HS.

Again, its clear you havent read the thread.


Did I not specifically say it makes it more expensive?

I SPECIFICALLY SAID it makes it more expensive.

What the **** is wrong with you?

READ, for Christs sake. The text is RIGHT THERE infront of you

He asked if it is too easy not too cheap. Quite simply you idea doesn't make it any harder, slaps a tax on the small and inexperienced and does nothing to the big organisations and well organised.






Literally the title of this thread.