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Tunnel Vision Rat Aggro vs Drones

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Jant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2017-03-06 13:41:49 UTC
Something that I seem to have been seeing recently is that I can go to a site (for specifics, Blood Raider Yard, Blood Raider Forlorn Den, etc.) in a VNI, grab aggro (red locks), then launch drones. As soon as the drones are launched, before they do anything, I lose all aggro simultaneously as every single ship retargets to my drones. I cannot regain aggro, even using an ECM Burst for instance, until the drones are recalled. If I then relaunch drones, same thing happens. Tried changing sites and same things would happen regardless of ship classes involved. Everything from the frigates to the battleships instantly focuses my drones.

Anyone else been seeing this? Got any advice?
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#2 - 2017-03-06 13:47:14 UTC
NPCs hate drones. They absolutely despise them. Switch to something other than drones...?

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Jant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2017-03-06 13:50:13 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
NPCs hate drones. They absolutely despise them. Switch to something other than drones...?


Thing is, even just yesterday I was having no such trouble which is why i'm a tad confused.
Also, i'm a Gallente pilot with heavy focus on drones. I don't think CCP would just decide 'eh, drones are for losers' and essentially ban them from PvE.
Buggs LeRoach
DHCOx
#4 - 2017-03-06 14:12:49 UTC
Jant wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
NPCs hate drones. They absolutely despise them. Switch to something other than drones...?


Thing is, even just yesterday I was having no such trouble which is why i'm a tad confused.
Also, i'm a Gallente pilot with heavy focus on drones. I don't think CCP would just decide 'eh, drones are for losers' and essentially ban them from PvE.


such behavior you describe could come from launching large drones against frigates and cruisers . it's intended to prevent afk play ; specifically , grabbing aggro and launching large drones to kill everything .
Jant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2017-03-06 14:27:51 UTC
Buggs LeRoach wrote:
Jant wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
NPCs hate drones. They absolutely despise them. Switch to something other than drones...?


Thing is, even just yesterday I was having no such trouble which is why i'm a tad confused.
Also, i'm a Gallente pilot with heavy focus on drones. I don't think CCP would just decide 'eh, drones are for losers' and essentially ban them from PvE.


such behavior you describe could come from launching large drones against frigates and cruisers . it's intended to prevent afk play ; specifically , grabbing aggro and launching large drones to kill everything .


Unfortunately, size of drone and type of rat made no difference. I tried light, medium and heavy (no sentries). I faced from Frigates to Battleships. Results were identical in every instance. The second even a single drone was launched, all aggro switched totally and instantly to drone.
Scialt
Corporate Navy Police Force
Sleep Reapers
#6 - 2017-03-06 14:30:41 UTC
Jant wrote:
Buggs LeRoach wrote:
Jant wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
NPCs hate drones. They absolutely despise them. Switch to something other than drones...?


Thing is, even just yesterday I was having no such trouble which is why i'm a tad confused.
Also, i'm a Gallente pilot with heavy focus on drones. I don't think CCP would just decide 'eh, drones are for losers' and essentially ban them from PvE.


such behavior you describe could come from launching large drones against frigates and cruisers . it's intended to prevent afk play ; specifically , grabbing aggro and launching large drones to kill everything .


Unfortunately, size of drone and type of rat made no difference. I tried light, medium and heavy (no sentries). I faced from Frigates to Battleships. Results were identical in every instance. The second even a single drone was launched, all aggro switched totally and instantly to drone.


While that sucks for a VNI... there are probably some ships where having a "Launch drone/lose all aggro" dynamic would be beneficial. Having some T1 drones to sacrifice in order to get your ship free of damage for a short bit might be a useful tanking mechanism.
Scialt
Corporate Navy Police Force
Sleep Reapers
#7 - 2017-03-06 14:37:16 UTC
By the way... did this just start today?

Yesterday I was running anoms in a VNI and things seemed to be working how they normally did.

I basically land in anom, wait for aggro, pop out heavies, target them with a remote sensor booster (this seems to keep aggro on my ship as each wave spawns as long as the waves spawn after last rat kill) and then tell them to engage.

Was having no problems last night.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#8 - 2017-03-06 14:41:38 UTC
We seem to go through a drone aggro-issue every 3-6 months.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Jant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2017-03-06 14:48:12 UTC
Scialt wrote:
By the way... did this just start today?

Yesterday I was running anoms in a VNI and things seemed to be working how they normally did.

I basically land in anom, wait for aggro, pop out heavies, target them with a remote sensor booster (this seems to keep aggro on my ship as each wave spawns as long as the waves spawn after last rat kill) and then tell them to engage.

Was having no problems last night.


Yes, just started today. Even last night, running sites without a single issue.
Whippy Whip
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#10 - 2017-03-06 15:44:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Whippy Whip
i've had this problem today too
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2017-03-06 17:51:46 UTC
Buggs LeRoach wrote:
Jant wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
NPCs hate drones. They absolutely despise them. Switch to something other than drones...?


Thing is, even just yesterday I was having no such trouble which is why i'm a tad confused.
Also, i'm a Gallente pilot with heavy focus on drones. I don't think CCP would just decide 'eh, drones are for losers' and essentially ban them from PvE.


such behavior you describe could come from launching large drones against frigates and cruisers . it's intended to prevent afk play ; specifically , grabbing aggro and launching large drones to kill everything .

Just wanted to add that the actual game mechanic governing NPC aggro towards Drones is suppose to be as follows :

Frigate and Destroyer NPC's attack Light Drones and above.
Cruiser and Battlecruiser NPC's attack Medium Drones and above.
Battleship NPC's attack Heavy and Sentry Drones.

Since that's not happening then there's definitely a bug which should be reported asap.



DMC

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Zarek Kree
Lunatic Legion Holdings
#12 - 2017-03-06 20:32:49 UTC
I seem to experience good and bad drone aggro days. Some days the NPCs don't give my drones a second look in any mission. And then other days, every NPC in every mission has a hard on for my drones. I don't know what's behind it, but it's certainly not simple luck because the pattern is too consistent across missions on some days.

My prediction is that it'll be fine again tomorrow.
Andrew Indy
Cleaning Crew
#13 - 2017-03-07 09:01:28 UTC
Yeah i think Rats just have a bad day and feel like taking it out on drones.

Was running a C3 a few days ago and they kept on aggroing my drones, left with 2 snake geckos in 90% hull (barely ever attack them normally . Go and run some low sec the day after and they barely touch my drones at all.
Scialt
Corporate Navy Police Force
Sleep Reapers
#14 - 2017-03-07 15:34:16 UTC
Is this still an issue?

I logged in last night and ran a couple of anomalies in a VNI and everything worked like normal. Got aggro, dropped drones... never lost aggro off of my ship.
MoonDragn
ZiTek
#15 - 2017-03-07 17:27:15 UTC
I had some of this problem yesterday but the NPCs didn't stop hitting me either. I lost all my drones, light medium heavies simply because the mission I was in hit everything hard.
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#16 - 2017-03-07 17:53:56 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Buggs LeRoach wrote:
Jant wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
NPCs hate drones. They absolutely despise them. Switch to something other than drones...?


Thing is, even just yesterday I was having no such trouble which is why i'm a tad confused.
Also, i'm a Gallente pilot with heavy focus on drones. I don't think CCP would just decide 'eh, drones are for losers' and essentially ban them from PvE.


such behavior you describe could come from launching large drones against frigates and cruisers . it's intended to prevent afk play ; specifically , grabbing aggro and launching large drones to kill everything .

Just wanted to add that the actual game mechanic governing NPC aggro towards Drones is suppose to be as follows :

Frigate and Destroyer NPC's attack Light Drones and above.
Cruiser and Battlecruiser NPC's attack Medium Drones and above.
Battleship NPC's attack Heavy and Sentry Drones.

Since that's not happening then there's definitely a bug which should be reported asap.



DMC


There's also which npc script they are running.
Some scripts dislike drones more than others.

Is there more than Sleeper, Sleeper-Lite & Normal now ?