Market Discussions

I'm not sure if this is what toobos is going on about but I'll have my own input as to why higher broker fees are better for me.
All the plebs who can only trade with little to non existent broker fees are pushed out of the market.
Less competition means higher margins. Higher margins more profit.

Hopefully that explains it a bit more for you.
While it is nice to have low fees this has pushed alot of items to razor thin margins forcing volume to be king and .01 isking to be rampant.
Buy orders and sell orders are not 'generally' filled by traders. So in theory with higher fees and higher margins with the volume staying around the same. Alot more profit to be had by the traders that stick around.

If you think even a corp the size of horde can monopolize all the items in a market the size of Jita I think you should run your numbers again.

And honestly if all of these traders are hating on horde so much why have they not paid someone to take out their structures and Pocos in highsec?? I dare say if all the upset traders put their funds together they could afford it.

I doubt "these traders" hate PH that much... Besides why waste money to blap structures not many people use.

But, if they can build a trade hub similar to what Karin had, perhaps it would be a good idea to consider.

I've said enough to make my point. I hope some people have gotten something out of it. If some didn't, well I tried.

What Cor'El Dahken said is part of it - too many throw away orders, a shot in the dark, with inconsequential broker fees, the cost of setting up an order is next to nothing, which means it a stupid game of just setting up orders for whatever in case you catch odd sale/purchase here and there.

There's also something else. I'll use RL example for easier understanding. A lot of people drive cars, and yes a lot of people would love cheaper petrol price. But OBVIOUSLY increase in the oil price will make more money for some people in the world. I don't understand how anyone cannot see that or deny that fact.

Good luck with your Planet V projects & free trade movement or whatever. TBH I think it's cool as a player driven content/incentive/project. I always like these things and respect people who put in effort to initiate and push such projects.

I just don't see any moral high ground in doing this though. And that's what I generally do not like. It's not much different from CODE. doing their RP thing as the 'saviour of high sec', just rephrased as saviour of the free trade.

Toobo out. Good luck o7


EDIT: like, I would be happy to pay for any of Planet V's services as part of business if it made sense, was appealing, etc, and 20m fee for 0.0% broker fee for life time is pretty damn good deal I have to say, so yeah, it's cool.

But I would not donate a single penny for the cause or support them out of principle, or to save the high sec trade or whatever. You see the difference there. If the OP was a straight up offer for deals & business I would've been giving thumps up all the way.

A HS sovereignty war would be pretty amazing IMO. Hopefully there is enough space for all levels of fighting to break out - with large alliances fighting for regional control of highly populated regions (The Forge, The Domain, etc.) and smaller corps/alliances battling for system control of quieter backwater type systems. Sounds like CONTENT to me!

So, wait, are you saying I have to pay you guys fees to get 0%, but alternatively, I can place an alt in Horde for free and get 0% in addition to seeding their nullsec markets?

Greetings all,

Thank you to the many of you who continue to support our efforts to maintain free trade across New Eden, and to fight the current extortion tactics employed by Pandemic Horde and others.

I have a couple of updates to the Planet V Trade operation. First of which you may have noticed already; our market hubs have changed their name slightly. All of our market hubs are now named 'Planet V Trade'. This is due to a new update released by CCP in which they no longer allow unicode symbols for newly anchored structures. And so, going forward we will be using the name 'Planet V Trade'.

Additionally, we had been receiving requests for a Planet V Trade market hub in Ashab. The requests were from traders who were having high broker fees forced upon them by Mercenary Coalition who have been extorting market hub owners in the region surrounding Amarr. As a result we have now expanded our market operation to cover Amarr, and we currently have an online market hub located in Ashab.

Another piece of good news; we have discovered a method to easily anchor a market in any system with it being almost impossible for it to be wardeced within the first 15 minutes necessary to prevent it coming online. As a result, we now have a Planet V Trade hub in Perimeter, and should be able to continue to keep a presence there going forward.

Finally, for a limited period we will be offering 0% public broker fees in order to encourage traders to try our market hubs. There is still much work to do on increasing the volume of trade necessary to prevent Pandemic Horde backed markets maintaining a meaningful presence, and so we hope that by taking this step it will help with that. Anyone who has donated in order to receive the 0% broker fee will maintain that rate even when our public broker fee increases back to 0.1%. Although if you wish to have your donation returned please send me a mail and I will do so.

We hope you will continue to support us in the war to maintain free markets and prevent extortion by trading with Planet V Trade.

Responded in the Adam4EVE feedback thread since it would be off-topic for this one.

Greetings all, I am here to bring you all another update from New Eden's biggest free trade market operation; Planet V Trade. We have been busy fighting the war against the extortionists, and have now bought free trade to Perimeter, Ashab, and Hek; with many more locations still to come.

As traders at our hubs are aware now, we have managed to have an almost uninterrupted service at all of our locations, with market hubs being replaced within hours of the old hub deactivating. We have discovered methods which allow us to reliably place market hubs once every fortnight, which means less hassle for our traders having to move orders.

This is in contrast to some of the less reputable hubs that have been appearing which are using a method which involves de-anchoring an active market hub. For any trader unfortunate enough to inadvertently use one of these hubs, it means that all your assets and orders get instantly tied up in asset safety with no warning.

Planet V Trade aims to offer a reliable, secure, and convenient service to all traders of New Eden. To make things even more convenient I can now officially announce that we will be offering a free hauling service to Planet V market hubs in Perimeter and Ashab. Simply create a public courier contract with collateral up to 20 billion ISK, and a volume of no more than 500,000 m3, and one of our haulers will transport it for you within 24 hours. Just ensure that the destination is one of the official Planet V Trade market hubs listed in the 'Planet V Trade' channel, and that the pickup location is another Citadel or Engineering Complex in the same system.

The war against the extortionists is still far from over, and in addition to this they now have backers who are paying them to destroy all competitor market hubs in the false belief that the extortionists will allow them to charge the sky high broker fees which they desire unchallenged. We have been keeping a careful watch on those who are funding the extortionists, and we now have some powerful allies who have seen the value in our cause, and are willing to take appropriate action to prevent the destruction of any further trade hubs.

This war to protect free trade in high sec is a war which will become part of Eve history. If the average capsuleer stands idle as the extortionists take control, then it will become impossible to shake their grip. We are now in a moment in which the balance can swing either way. It is now more important than ever that anyone who has an interest in preventing the extortion of high sec takes action now and supports free trade.