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Nestor as a exploration ship, for real
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Six Nyendi
Collusion.
Trash Tier Tryhards
#1 - 2017-03-05 00:12:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Six Nyendi
A couple of months ago when I had decided to start playing EVE, I knew from the beginning that I wanted to do exploration.
When I started to plan my career I found the SOE ships, these awesome looking ships specialized in exploration, and in three different sizes. So that seemed like a natural progression, Astero -> Stratios -> Nestor.

But when I started to look into the Nestor, everyone seemed to think it was a pretty useless ship, and not at all suited for exploration, or anything else for that matter. So I was really disappointed! Even though I want to be an explorer, I still want to progress into flying bigger and more expensive ships.

So I have an idea that might make the Nestor more suitable for exploration.

Add hacking drones. All SoE exclusive and themed (like drone sized Asteros), expensive, fragile and able to carry loot to your ship. To use them you also need a "Remote Data/Relic Analyzer Relay II", which acts like a normal hacking module, only that its the drone that has to be in range, not your ship. That way, your billion isk battleship can stay aligned to a celestial, ready to warp out. You might lose many millions worth of drones, but at least your ship as a chance of getting away.

Small data/relic analyzer drone - Fastest, small cargo hold, 25 Mbit/s, 1 virus utility slot
Medium data/relic analyzer drone - medium speed and cargo hold, 50 Mbit/s, 2 virus utility slots
Large data/relic analyzer drone - Slowest, big cargo hold, 75 Mbit/s, 3 virus utility slots

The Nestor is a really cool-looking ship, and it is a real waste that it currently doesn't seem to have much use. I really like the idea of a battleship for exploration, making you a tough(er) target to gank, but due to it's price tag, it has to be really good too, and I think this might be a way to get there.

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Six
Kenrailae
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2017-03-05 00:34:39 UTC
Wouldn't be any point in doing that, as the cost of the drones would massively outweigh anything you could realistically expect to get out of the sight. Unlike the Rorq which can mine itself back in a relatively short time, data sites are, mostly, pretty crap. More creative than some of the fix the nestor posts, for sure.


Problem is it's a ship that SHOULD be a faction black ops with covert cloaks and stuff.... but CCP are afraid of breaking the game(T3D's anyone).

The Law is a point of View

The NPE IS a big deal
Amojin
Doomheim
#3 - 2017-03-05 04:34:20 UTC
Actually, I might at some point cross into one. As a drone boat, those repair bonuses are just great. It's got a good tank, lasers are nice, never needing ammo, and who cares that it's not selectable damage? The sentry drones are, and the thing would make one hell of a Dominix upgrade, imo.

Being able to fit a monster tank AND keep my drones alive so much easier, AND hit you with beam lasers from nearly the same range as the sentries? The Nestor is, already, a very powerful ship for the money.
Do Little
Bluenose Trading
#4 - 2017-03-05 09:41:22 UTC
Nestor has a niche. Pricing and volumes are now in-line with other pirate battleships. Nestor has a somewhat eclectic set of bonuses - fans of the ship probably own Leatherman tools; but a balance pass is really only warranted if the ship is out of step with its peers - languishing would merit a buff, dominating would merit a nerf.

Nestor seems to be mid-pack and I expect CCP will direct their balance efforts elsewhere.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2017-03-05 11:29:54 UTC
But OP, what possible reason would there ever be to put a billion isk battleship into a relic site you could run faster and easier with a hundred million isk astero?
mkint
#6 - 2017-03-05 17:31:05 UTC
Compare some of the other progressions. Assault frig > HAC > marauder. Bomber > recon > blops. The point isn't to be doing the same job in a bigger ship, it's a progression into additional roles. Asking the nestor to do the same things the same as other ships doesn't make sense. Figuring out a role for the nestor that fits within the theme of its progression but is also unique, that makes far more sense. The questioning should start with "what is the Nestor already good at?" Should it be better at it? Should it be tweaked into a slightly different role where there's less competition?

The suggestion isn't bad, but it doesn't fulfill a bigger picture either.

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
Amojin
Doomheim
#7 - 2017-03-05 17:40:23 UTC
mkint wrote:
Compare some of the other progressions. Assault frig > HAC > marauder. Bomber > recon > blops. The point isn't to be doing the same job in a bigger ship, it's a progression into additional roles. Asking the nestor to do the same things the same as other ships doesn't make sense. Figuring out a role for the nestor that fits within the theme of its progression but is also unique, that makes far more sense. The questioning should start with "what is the Nestor already good at?" Should it be better at it? Should it be tweaked into a slightly different role where there's less competition?

The suggestion isn't bad, but it doesn't fulfill a bigger picture either.


At the risk of sounding ignorant, well, that's not really gonna bother me, so I'll just say it. Isn't the armor rep bonus, the maintenance bay, a clear indicator of its role? It's to be a support, probably the primary support of wh exploration 'gangs?'

At least that's what I assumed from it's bonuses. Why would that be an incorrect assumption. I also noted that it would completely fill the bill for my particular method of attacking L4 Mission sites, but that's just a bonus, I think.
mkint
#8 - 2017-03-05 17:45:49 UTC
Amojin wrote:
mkint wrote:
Compare some of the other progressions. Assault frig > HAC > marauder. Bomber > recon > blops. The point isn't to be doing the same job in a bigger ship, it's a progression into additional roles. Asking the nestor to do the same things the same as other ships doesn't make sense. Figuring out a role for the nestor that fits within the theme of its progression but is also unique, that makes far more sense. The questioning should start with "what is the Nestor already good at?" Should it be better at it? Should it be tweaked into a slightly different role where there's less competition?

The suggestion isn't bad, but it doesn't fulfill a bigger picture either.


At the risk of sounding ignorant, well, that's not really gonna bother me, so I'll just say it. Isn't the armor rep bonus, the maintenance bay, a clear indicator of its role? It's to be a support, probably the primary support of wh exploration 'gangs?'

At least that's what I assumed from it's bonuses. Why would that be an incorrect assumption. I also noted that it would completely fill the bill for my particular method of attacking L4 Mission sites, but that's just a bonus, I think.

I was just posing questions in broad terms. I don't have really any personal experience in the boat. That's what its bonuses are for, but is it good at it? Is it actually getting used that way? Is it being displaced by something else? Is there something else it could be doing that's more interesting?

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#9 - 2017-03-05 18:10:44 UTC  |  Edited by: FT Diomedes
Kenrailae wrote:
Wouldn't be any point in doing that, as the cost of the drones would massively outweigh anything you could realistically expect to get out of the sight. Unlike the Rorq which can mine itself back in a relatively short time, data sites are, mostly, pretty crap. More creative than some of the fix the nestor posts, for sure.


Problem is it's a ship that SHOULD be a faction black ops with covert cloaks and stuff.... but CCP are afraid of breaking the game(T3D's anyone).


They should make it a jump capable ship (Black Ops). I don't think it would be overpowered in the current meta.

The Nestor as faction Black Ops would have an immediate role as Logistics for Black Ops fleets, which could tend to make Black Ops gangs more inclined to stick around and fight (and potentially die more often). That mobility would also give it some interesting options as an exploration ship. Moving around via covert cyno would enable it to get behind enemy lines and ninja escalations and other exploration content.

While they are at it, they should give the Astero and Stratios the ability to fit covert cynos.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Amojin
Doomheim
#10 - 2017-03-05 18:45:08 UTC
FT Diomedes wrote:
Kenrailae wrote:
Wouldn't be any point in doing that, as the cost of the drones would massively outweigh anything you could realistically expect to get out of the sight. Unlike the Rorq which can mine itself back in a relatively short time, data sites are, mostly, pretty crap. More creative than some of the fix the nestor posts, for sure.


Problem is it's a ship that SHOULD be a faction black ops with covert cloaks and stuff.... but CCP are afraid of breaking the game(T3D's anyone).


They should make it a jump capable ship (Black Ops). I don't think it would be overpowered in the current meta.

The Nestor as faction Black Ops would have an immediate role as Logistics for Black Ops fleets, which could tend to make Black Ops gangs more inclined to stick around and fight (and potentially die more often). That mobility would also give it some interesting options as an exploration ship. Moving around via covert cyno would enable it to get behind enemy lines and ninja escalations and other exploration content.

While they are at it, they should give the Astero and Stratios the ability to fit covert cynos.


I really don't think that fits with what the SoE faction would build. Do you? They armed everything with defensive weaponry. I'm pretty sure they're not a pack of murderers, and most certainly would not build ships to enable easier mass slaughter...

Why do you think they would?
Kenrailae
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2017-03-05 19:22:02 UTC
Amojin wrote:


I really don't think that fits with what the SoE faction would build. Do you? They armed everything with defensive weaponry. I'm pretty sure they're not a pack of murderers, and most certainly would not build ships to enable easier mass slaughter...

Why do you think they would?



Defensive weaponry is only defensive when it's not fired first. And if any of the stuff I've skim read on the Roleplay side of things has any merit to it, the SoE have no problems with pulling the trigger first.

The Law is a point of View

The NPE IS a big deal
Amojin
Doomheim
#12 - 2017-03-05 19:24:44 UTC
Kenrailae wrote:
Defensive weaponry is only defensive when it's not fired first. And if any of the stuff I've skim read on the Roleplay side of things has any merit to it, the SoE have no problems with pulling the trigger first.


Well, crap. I kinda wanted to think of them as a monkish group. Still, the thing is plenty powerful, already.
Matthias Ancaladron
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2017-03-05 20:46:28 UTC
Soe is a caldari faction visually anyway.
They aren't organicly curvy or gold/so they don't need the gallente or amarr bonuses.
But someone up above that posted it should be a blackops is correct. Soe is doing wormhole stuff so it should have the cloak.

Just don't give it the hotdrop abilitys. Idk why the roles have to be so cookie cutter and identical to each other with the same role bonuses. The movement speed while covert op is activated would be nice for it. Don't see why it needs to be able to tag other people in.Mini
Lugh Crow-Slave
#14 - 2017-03-06 08:59:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Lugh Crow-Slave
Six Nyendi wrote:

But when I started to look into the Nestor, everyone seemed to think it was a pretty useless ship, and not at all suited for exploration, or anything else for that matter. So I was really disappointed!

Quote:

Even though I want to be an explorer, I still want to progress into flying bigger and more expensive ships.





you need to leave that mindset back in WoW m8 bigger != better Expensive != better and neither should be used to gadge your progression in eve. Bigger is just different and expensive just means thats what people are buying/ selling it for how good it may be is only one factor in the demand for the item.




as to your actual idea -1

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#15 - 2017-03-07 08:50:13 UTC
Just thinking out loud but if CCP ever fixes the broken class 4 relic and data sites you can only wish you weren't in an Astero hacking that can that triggers that wave- ohoh POOF.

Eve Minions is recruiting.

This is the law of ship progression!

Aura sound-clips: Aura forever
Arthur Aihaken
Kenshin Academia.
Kenshin Shogunate.
#16 - 2017-03-07 17:03:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
I'd still like to know what that yellow rescue shuttle is supposed to be utilized for...

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Dior Ambraelle
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2017-03-07 19:29:21 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
I'd still like to know what that yellow rescue shuttle is supposed to be utilized for...

It would be awesome if SOE would get it's own shuttle, let's say with low signature and a slightly bigger cargo hold.

If you want an intelligent argument, please do, I'm up for it!

But if you want a trolling contest, I will win it by simply not participating.
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#18 - 2017-03-08 09:39:59 UTC
Dior Ambraelle wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
I'd still like to know what that yellow rescue shuttle is supposed to be utilized for...

It would be awesome if SOE would get it's own shuttle, let's say with low signature and a slightly bigger cargo hold.


And maybe even nullified.

Eve Minions is recruiting.

This is the law of ship progression!

Aura sound-clips: Aura forever
Dimitrios Bekas
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#19 - 2017-03-09 19:00:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Dimitrios Bekas
elitatwo wrote:
Dior Ambraelle wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
I'd still like to know what that yellow rescue shuttle is supposed to be utilized for...

It would be awesome if SOE would get it's own shuttle, let's say with low signature and a slightly bigger cargo hold.


And maybe even nullified.



***and can warp cloaked with Leopard AU Speed pls
***+5 WCStabbed by default
***+MJD - only backwards flipflop Style in opposite direction

(think big !)
Dior Ambraelle
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2017-03-09 23:25:36 UTC
Dimitrios Bekas wrote:
elitatwo wrote:
Dior Ambraelle wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
I'd still like to know what that yellow rescue shuttle is supposed to be utilized for...

It would be awesome if SOE would get it's own shuttle, let's say with low signature and a slightly bigger cargo hold.


And maybe even nullified.



***and can warp cloaked with Leopard AU Speed pls
***+5 WCStabbed by default
***+MJD - only backwards flipflop Style in opposite direction

(think big !)

What is wrong with a rare shuttle that can carry slightly more and has lower signature than the other shuttles?
Make the BPC cost an Astero chip, and sold on Thera only.

If you want an intelligent argument, please do, I'm up for it!

But if you want a trolling contest, I will win it by simply not participating.
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