EVE General Discussion

Yes. And I do, every single time. I give them work history and permission for a criminal background check. That's all.

No personal references, no cover page, no fancy resume. Take it or leave it. I'm a Quaker. What do you expect? I can't give you a reference, acceptable in the business world. I don't 'hang out' with coworkers. My life is family and friends.

Not acceptable, as references, so I just admit it. Eventually, someone needs a person in the capacity I can fill, and I get the job.

You shouldn't. And you won't typically get it unless the player in question is willing to share it. Now, you should not be invited to a corp either if you do not agree to their terms. If you do not want to share your full API key - just don't join a corp that wants it. Problem solved.


It doesn't provide security, but it filters out the low effort spies/awoxers/saboteurs. You wouldn't believe how many potential threats you can avoid by just raising the bar high enough that they have to go through the effort to create another account and train a clean spy. And if there is someone in your corp, who put in that effort, chances are he'll make a mistake. Transfer money from his well known main to his "secret" spy alt. And if you have the full API, you'll see that. Having full API keys (and actually checking them) doesn't prevent personae non gratae from getting a character in your corp, and potentially doing damage. But it greatly reduces the number, and therefore work for directors and internal security guys.

Another thing where having the full API can help is to see when corp members are doing bad things, without bad intentions. Say for example an industrialist builds supercapitals and then goes ahead and sells them to a "neutral" guy nearby - maybe because they are not aware that that's a bad idea, or because he's such a nice guy that they cannot imagine him being an enemy.

It's also useful for taxation. For example, let's say said industrialist got yelled at by a director and has now learned that selling supers to bad guys is not a thing they should do. They now have set up a moon mining and reactions chain in their alliances space, and are getting filthy rich off it. Don't you think it's quite unfair that a PvE player pays ratting taxes, but an industrial player pays nothing? But wait: Through the API you can actually see what they are doing and whether they are paying the taxes they should be paying or not.

It's also nice for statistics: Which member(corp) is mostly ratting, which member corp is mostly producing useful things, where do they like to conduct their business and so on.

Or another example: Let's say you want to bring an alt into the corp. In a small corp you'd just talk it through "Hey, this is Amojins alt, my main is in your corp, let me in". But in a several thousand man strong corp, the directors would go crazy if they had to talk to fifty people a day and check who they are. Instead, they could just look at the application, compare with the API and determine whether it's alright to let this character in or not.

In the end, the main argument for collecting the full API keys of your members is convenience. It being an API - Application Programming Interface - one can write applications to do most of the tedious work. Again, in a very big corp, you can't let the directors do everything manually - have them talk to every member, expect them to know who everyone is, what they do and why they are here - it's simply not possible. They'd just burn out and collapse after a week or two, and without those people, the corp would quickly crumble and die.


Nobody inherently has the right to see who you are in contact with or what's happening in your wallet. And you have all the right to not provide that information. In the same sense, nobody has the right to join any given corp either, and the corp leadership has every right to reject your application. Sometimes, if people want to play together, they willingly waive a portion of their rights for mutual benefit.


All corps that I have joined (in good faith) got access to my full API on all my accounts if they just asked. I simply don't join corps that I wouldn't trust with my full API key. It's not a perfect safeguard by any means, but some of the larger, more powerful groups would not be where they are now without counter intelligence and internal security work, and checking the full API key is a big part of that.

Keep your information to yourself, or join one of those corps in good faith - pick one.

Oh, and if you weren't so paranoid, and like, hired enough staff? Well, you wouldn't be so overworked. Just a thought.

This is not a paid job. You can't just "hire" people. You need to find people who are trustworthy, willing and able to do actual work - and don't kid yourself, managing a corp is work - so that the rest of the corp can have nice things. And if you are lucky and find a few, you have to make sure they don't burn out. You clearly do not know what you are talking about.

This is a game, not a job.

Even the leadership want to log in and be able to have fun; and not just take care of management so everyone else can have fun.

Talking to everyone in a small Corp/Alliance is easy, but Goons are near 25,000 members. Brave had a single Corp >12,000 members at one point. There are several Corps with a couple of thousand members. CEOs talking to everyone isn't possible, even if he/she wanted to.

Right. So, it's not as important as was made out...?

Or, is it, despite that? Or what? See how confusing this can get, when real life management structures are imported into a game?

Oh, I think you all are. 12,000 and 25,000 man 'groups.' Yeah, you're hopelessly confused. You've let yourself grow beyond any ability to manage anything, especially if you can't 'hire' good staff to delegate to.

If you have more members in your corp than a medium sized business, say more than 200?

You're hopelessly confused. It's like one of those 501c(3) mega-churches where they dress up like batman and then start spouting off about how Christ approves.

Yeah, right. Whatever...

Bread and Circuses, that's all you are, at that point.

I have no clue what you are talking about with 501c(3), however why would anything over a medium Corp be confusing?

Tonnes of Corps in EVE are much larger then that and they provide great opportunities for their members to access content in the game.

Ah, right. We are all wrong, and you are right. You are quite full of yourself, aren't you?

And I really wonder why. You have so far shown no sign that you have the slightest clue about how anything in this game works. You have not shared your wisdom with us on how you imagine "hiring" this "staff" would work either. I suggest you go out and try to form a corp of your own, and achieve something with it. Doesn't have to be a big one. Maybe 50 guys, you can talk to all of those easily, right? And then go, and claim some space, so your members have a place to rat and mine and build POSes and Citadels. There are plenty of nullsec systems up for grabs at the moment. Or you could settle a wormhole - most of those are empty anyway. And once you have done that, I think we can continue talking.

Because at this point, any further discussion with you would be rather pointless. You asked a couple of questions in your OP, which is fair enough - can't know everything about Eve, can you now? And those questions have been answered. Yet, without knowing much about the game for some reason you do not accept those answers. Your opinion is set in stone. So the only reasonable thing to do would be to let you put that opinion to the test. Just play the game and see for yourself how hiring staff and talking to everyone in your corp will work out.

Clearly "our" method has been proven to work. Now it's your turn.


And you are of course better than most people, I suppose? Since we have reached religion now, here's one for you: "He who is without sin let him cast the first stone". Do you think you are that person? Because I think you may just be as stupid and evil as everyone else.