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Realism for jammers and dampers
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Anzsi
Peacemarker
#1 - 2017-03-04 07:18:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Anzsi
Hi,

I have again new good idea.

Right now ecm = just jamming target nothing more efect?? not inaff realism
Right now damper = less target or slower targeting?? no no not like this I want more realism


And then my idea:
- ECM = jamming target and target cant broadcast anything. He can still ofc speak teamspeak, but thats is "cheat" anyway =D

- DAMP target range = damp target targeting-range and he cant broadcast any new target what is out of hes range and logies and other fleet members cant see hes broadcast if they are out hes targeting-range.

Think about this damp or ecm must be some effect for communication.

Sorry rough English. It is not my home language =D

Br Anzsi
Dark Lord Trump
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#2 - 2017-03-04 12:27:09 UTC
Why is it realistic that an attack on my targeting system prevents me from communicating with fleetmates? Also, this makes ECM incredibly broken, lol I jam you now you die because you can't broadcast for reps. High alpha doctrine + Falcon = instant win.

I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
Wolfgang Jannesen
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2017-03-04 13:53:23 UTC
I don't think 'realism, is a good reason to make arbitrary changes to these modules,
Anzsi
Peacemarker
#4 - 2017-03-04 13:56:53 UTC
Dark Lord Trump wrote:
Why is it realistic that an attack on my targeting system prevents me from communicating with fleetmates? Also, this makes ECM incredibly broken, lol I jam you now you die because you can't broadcast for reps. High alpha doctrine + Falcon = instant win.


No, you just need to play better and different way to counter that.

If enemy trying to wolley you instantly, logies cant do anything anyway...else you start broadcast when enemy starting to target you...or saying something in teamspeak if enemy jamming you first....So its not automaticaly win...You just need to play better.
Wolfgang Jannesen
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2017-03-04 13:59:49 UTC
Anzsi wrote:
Dark Lord Trump wrote:
Why is it realistic that an attack on my targeting system prevents me from communicating with fleetmates? Also, this makes ECM incredibly broken, lol I jam you now you die because you can't broadcast for reps. High alpha doctrine + Falcon = instant win.


No, you just need to play better and different way to counter that.

If enemy trying to wolley you instantly, logies cant do anything anyway...else you start broadcast when enemy starting to target you...or saying something in teamspeak if enemy jamming you first....So its not automaticaly win...You just need to play better.


How would these modules change anything for players using voice communication? EVE doesn't have master control over a rid party application running independently.
Anzsi
Peacemarker
#6 - 2017-03-04 15:04:24 UTC
Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:
Anzsi wrote:
Dark Lord Trump wrote:
Why is it realistic that an attack on my targeting system prevents me from communicating with fleetmates? Also, this makes ECM incredibly broken, lol I jam you now you die because you can't broadcast for reps. High alpha doctrine + Falcon = instant win.


No, you just need to play better and different way to counter that.

If enemy trying to wolley you instantly, logies cant do anything anyway...else you start broadcast when enemy starting to target you...or saying something in teamspeak if enemy jamming you first....So its not automaticaly win...You just need to play better.


How would these modules change anything for players using voice communication? EVE doesn't have master control over a rid party application running independently.



Well ofc we can use eve-voice...even better then we can jamm or give "delay" on voice, if someone scanreso-damping you.
Dark Lord Trump
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#7 - 2017-03-04 15:26:25 UTC
Anzsi wrote:
Dark Lord Trump wrote:
Why is it realistic that an attack on my targeting system prevents me from communicating with fleetmates? Also, this makes ECM incredibly broken, lol I jam you now you die because you can't broadcast for reps. High alpha doctrine + Falcon = instant win.


No, you just need to play better and different way to counter that.

If enemy trying to wolley you instantly, logies cant do anything anyway...else you start broadcast when enemy starting to target you...or saying something in teamspeak if enemy jamming you first....So its not automaticaly win...You just need to play better.

Not all volleys will land at the same time, giving logi a very small window to save you. A falcon can and should also be targeting multiple people. So being targeted by ECM does not necessarily mean that you're the next primary. Preventing someone from broadcasting while jammed means that logi has to use that very small window to frantically sort through their "friendly" overview to find you and rep you. I suppose that "insta-win" might be an exaggeration, but can you really think of any reason NOT to bring an alpha doctrine since you can mess with people's ability to broadcast for reps?

You still haven't discussed the realism point. If I put a blindfold on you, can you still talk?

I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
mkint
#8 - 2017-03-04 16:06:54 UTC
Was hoping for an idea that would address the issues with ewar. Found an idea that would make the issues even worse.

While it would be interesting to have comm jamming in the game (interesting does not necessarily mean good,) realism is a bad justification. We can instantly transmit consciousness to a new clone. We can communicate instantly with anyone in the universe. None of that is disruptable by natural cosmic forces (compared to RL where our tiny cold sun hiccuping can disrupt all comms on earth.) If black holes, quasars, pulsars, or the entire universe exploding into a network of wormholes (iirc, it shut down gates for a couple hours but didn't disrupt comms) can't disrupt comms, it's unrealistic to say the relatively tiny power output of a frigate would be able to either.

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