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I'm pointing out that destroying a corps membership to "save it" is really just destroying a corp more thoroughly than a deccers wildest dreams. The exact 2 things that people do not want to do most is (a) not log on for a week or (b) leave corp. Since those are completely standard things that people can do without you (and for which the forums will advise them in 10 minutes flat and forum search in 10 seconds), I do not see the point in offering it. Not only that, we already know that such events tend to strip non rl friend membership from corps permanently as well as make unsub events for rl friends, ie we already know your strategy sucks.



With half the membership and structures and initiative lost. Half of them are literally going to believe you are associated with the deccer when you are proposing such a destructive thing.



honestly lol 500m is chump change for a 10 man corp. Its less than a single astrahus, its less than a single marauder. The simple advice for that problem is to courier your hauls during a war. and for a ceo to harden up and manage his players so that they do in fact courier whether it be internally through a player that has a hauling alt, by being a good ceo and having the necessary alt his/herself, or through public contracts or red frog. Which ever thing is necessary for the pecularities of that corp.



Yes because losing all their members, losing all their structures, and then not even being able to form up to kill 1 single exposed afk opponent in the wardec because they all dropped out of corp is sensible. No its not aaron.

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To understand my position.

(a) in order for me to realistically want you to fc a roam I'm on.

- you'd need to have at least a positive isk ratio on your public killboard and a positive k/d since well the way killmails work stacks those stats in the favour of anyone getting any kills so hard that nobody should have neg stats unless they are hopeless at choosing engagements and prone to blundering into traps.

you don't have this, which means I'd probably decline a roam you fc'd, and I'm personally dubious of your ability to 'train ceos'.


(b) in order for me to realistically want you advise me on surviving wardecs as a ceo.

- you'd need to run a corporation with a visible public track record of fighting back in wardecs and getting kills on wardeccers, and having wardeccers drop decs because they were losing.

That is one reason why I suggest that step 1 is not handing out advice, its gathering up sufficient people, resources and experience from doing it yourself, and then use said corp as the service vehicle for others, with advice based specifically on how that corp can help the target group.

If we wanted to talk about specific advice on how to make money in highsec flying in space whilst decced, then I actually do know how to do that. I also do know how a corp that was capable of protecting its own highsec assets could easily help corp members of other corps to run content safely, but all those iterations of wardec strategy are outside of your thinking.

No aaron, I'm explaining to you patiently what would push your enterprise beyond at best duplicating the worst of the forum advice.

The fact that you find 500m losses in a day somehow remarkable is telling in itself. Wardecs usually open with a few big days and then kills fall away as the valuables are lost or no longer being flown. Individuals that have a lot of notifications can easily miss the wardec notification and undock into war targets as a result (I've missed the war notification myself).

Also a hyperion for example has a hull cost of nearly 200m, and many t2 modules are now well over 1m and large rigs can be non trivially costly even in t1 so a non bling t2 fitted hyperion mission runner is probably pushing towards a 300m lossmail by itself.

imo talking to a 20 person corp of non pvp experienced players will not solve any of their problems, nor will running them into lowsec with frigates, particularly given that a really good fc can accidently wipe a fleet of good players, so a meh fc with inexperienced players is basically a dice roll with a 50:50 chance of being a wipe, which will entirely erode the trust of your target group.

ie you seem to be oblivious to the fact that breaking up a corp and then getting them all killed in lowsec is a giant ugly diceroll strategy with total failure as at least a 25% outcome. The fact that you can't even see the dicerolls is a problem.

What you actually want to do to blood players into pvp is to get them to dogpile an example of their enemy. The weapon of choice is not the frigate its buffer fitted high dps cruisers (which even alphas can fly and preferred race doesn't matter), and the target of choice is not the enemies gangs, its their lone hunters, which any serious dec group has, and you have a whole week to find one, and one will eventually present on a trade route or come to you, and given its all you do, you should be able to identify the ones that have neutral reps or neutral jams or whatever else in advance.

As far as money making goes, you need to extract players from hubs and other camped locations (this means providing them with ceptors, corvettes and insta warp targets, since I expect they lack undock instas) - this is not a talkey task its a move op - a doing task, you need to have a location where they need to go to, which is a low pop local with mission agents and ore and you need to have people present who can pop missions for them there to build up standings.

Ideally you also need structures, in the whole constellation, you need to convince people to store mission ships in the structures, own spare mission ships and use corvettes or ceptors to hand in/get missions and gate. That vastly cuts down the opportunity for a lone hunter to snag one of your war decced targets on an undock or a gate, the locations where they die, and forces the hunter to combat probe in a low pop system to get a target, which will out their scout alts.

You can bowhead ships to move them during the move ops, and you can freight their other stuff for them all out of war.

Lastly you need a corp separate from your main dec management corp, with defensive pvpers - ie people like me. We go directly into the war by joining it (which we can do), we give them a standing defensive fleet, live advice in their fleet and we mission and mine with the decced group without exposing your structures unnecessarily to every war, and we make money whilst waiting, but because we are the kind of players that want to defensively pvp, we'll either be in bait ships or warping straight to dock for a pvp ship the moment a target shows in local.

Like I said the actual solution is a problem for lots of people and the first problem is not saving people in a channel, its getting sufficient people together to be able to protect infrastructure in the first place.

1, The corps I help will probably already be broken with lots of losses, people arguing and leaving due to the relentless war dec. So I won't be breaking up anything.

2, It costs hardly anything to buy a t1 fitted frigate or destroyer, It is important to understand what happens in PVP if you are not used to it. It's interesting to see how people will try to bait you for example, if youre paying attention you will remember the type of bait method used against you and possibly use it against someone else or be in a position to identify the bait when someone is trying to use it against you.

3, Sure this is a diceroll. A controlled diceroll where you've limited your losses.

You want to take casual people who probably don't fully synchronise their game on tasks that require them to play for hours together in a way which requires a lot of discipline and time and accepting that well we are in frigates, the **** we found won't die to frigates (because things out of your target envelope is a particular problem for frigates) and we are being chased by actual talented pvpers who pick off individual frigates with ease but can't be caught.

Not only that, its got nothing to do with what they wanted to do. If they wanted to be a roaming pvp corp they'd have been there in the first place.

The cost of the gang is the least concern to the individuals because at least earning the money was the thing they wanted to do.

IMO you are just going to reinforce the notion that lead them to not being able to fight a dec in the first place - pvp is hard, other players are really good and they don't have the sp yet and the task was a ****** experience of doing what I was told and then losing anyway.