EVE General Discussion

"CCP Solomon: The strong prey on the weak, but the weak aren’t responding, and nobody’s getting particularly fun or nourishing gameplay out of this. Is that a failure? "

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The 2012 Winter Minutes.

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CCP SoniClover: And it seems that some are clamoring a lot for the game system to protect them. And we're trying to minimize that as much as possible. EVE is never going to give you complete game system security. And we're never going to go that route.

Wars are basically fine. They do what they are suppose to do: allow conflict to take place in highsec as the game is intended to work. There are some holes to plug, perhaps some tweaks to be made, and the whole game would benefit from some proper conflict drivers/objectives, but wars as a mechanism to remove NPCs from the equation of fighting in highsec works just dandy.

And can be fun to boot.

If you have trouble with war decs or the war dec mechanics just leave high sec. The rest of EVE is constantly at war with everyone unless they're blue (and even then sometimes). Seriously.

The ONLY use for war decs is in high sec. Nah don't give me crap about low sec, no one in low sec is worried about gate guns or sec status. No one. You tank it, or you bring logi, or both.

It's high sec carebears who cry about war decs. High sec structures can be targeted. And carebears who forget their renter corp/nullsec alliance is under war dec and get popped on the way to or from Jita because they're too dumb or forgot to use a neutral hauling alt.

Seriously, this affects so few people it's laughable. And to those few who complain about it - what, you think "high sec" means absolutely risk and consequence free? No, your stuff can be popped in high sec too. At least you get 24 hours' notice. Don't like it, take everything out of your POS/Citadel and put it in someone else's or an NPC station. Too lazy to do that? THEN YOU GET WHAT YOU DESERVE.

Or you could always, I dunno - defend your stuff.

1. If a new small corp had more than 10 friends they wouldn't be a 10 man corp now would they?
2. There is absolutely nothing a new small corp has to offer a big alliance.
3. Sure. Just pack up and move...I'm sure the players lurking outside the station waiting for you to undock would agree.
4. there are people in this very thread who think that shouldn't even be possible.

Idea worth developing, weak sides of it?


They allow confilct but far from fine. I left E-uni back when I started because of constant wardecc. I was tired of alt playing and docking when reds were showing. Most of the time it's single sided gameplay, and best conterplay is to not undock. If I won't undock and don't want to play on alt the best I could do is to find another game. Leaving E-uni and creating my one man corp was the best decision ever, no hub camp since then.

Briliant analysis, you just discovered, without assistance, that the reason of wardec is to circunvent CONCORD in highsec, thus they are a highsec mechanic.

Now ask yourself, why the ability to destroy player assets without the aggressor being destroyed by CONCORD is so important that CCP devoted time and effort to create wardecs as an exception to the already existing -and quite complex- crimewatch mechanic? And who is favored by this wardec mechanic? Carebears? PvPrs? Who's being pampered by CCP...?

You have a 24 hour notice. Why do you think you're so special that your assets must last absolutely forever with no risk in this game? If you're not prepared to defend your assets, take them down. You can take a POS down in a few hours. A citadel is a little more complicated but hey, if you're in a position to afford a citadel then you're good enough and popular enough to defend it, right? RIGHT?

Wait, does this come back to "don't fly what you can't afford to lose?" Boohoo I bought a citadel with PLEX and now I can't afford/don't know how to/don't have friends to defend it.... well whose fault is that? Maybe you shouldn't have plonked cash on a citadel thinking you can "pay to win".

As to "the ability to destroy player assets without the aggressor being destroyed by CONCORD", you realize that you can do it to them too, right? This is not a one-sided situation. Unless you absolutely cannot fight, in which case maybe you have misunderstood the nature of the EVE universe.

CCP "needs" destruction in the game to make a profit. It also makes the game more interesting to many players.

The problem is new players and beginner corporations have no chance against established players & corps that have knowledge, experience & SP on their side. Thus leading to a failed NPE that causes players to quit.

So the challenge is how to allow destruction while not losing new players.

What if defending corps were allowed to hire NPC assistance during the war. Use the new NPC mining fleet AI to provide backup that shows the new corps how an organized group of ships - tackle, DPS, logistics - fights. This gives them a chance to experience the thrill of combat and forces the attacking corp to risk some destruction as well.

wardecs fail because people can just drop from a corp with no consequence


they'd be less broken if dropping from corp made no difference

Do you really want players logging off for weeks at a time? I'm not sure how this improves EVE.