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High Sec Ganking - CONCORD Balance request

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Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1101 - 2017-03-02 17:45:44 UTC
Dom Arkaral wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Hiasa Kite wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
"Clever gangers" should "feel" pain of ganging others in high sec than just ticklings...

I bet you can't even list the current game mechanics behind ganking

Is that really a bet? It's part of the definition of carebear to be utterly clueless about game mechanics isn't it.

May as well bet if the sky is blue.


I have pointed them out to him several times but he still keeps on saying it

It's called the Backfire Effect.
The more you prove them wrong, the more they believe they're right
(It's an actual thing)

I've witnessed the effect, but never thought about it actually being studied.

Pretty terrifying, really.

"Playing an MMO by yourself is like masturbating in the middle of an orgy." -Jonah Gravenstein
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1102 - 2017-03-02 18:02:42 UTC
Hiasa Kite wrote:

I've witnessed the effect, but never thought about it actually being studied.

Pretty terrifying, really.


That it is.
Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#1103 - 2017-03-02 18:03:18 UTC
Hiasa Kite wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

I have pointed them out to him several times but he still keeps on saying it

It's called the Backfire Effect.
The more you prove them wrong, the more they believe they're right
(It's an actual thing)

I've witnessed the effect, but never thought about it actually being studied.

Pretty terrifying, really.

yeah same, I didn't even know it had a name until this very morning (ty Space Pope)

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#1104 - 2017-03-02 18:10:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
An interesting study would be to see who the backfire effect affects, and their MMO history.

I think that some experience a huge culture shock when they start Eve, it's not what they know and shatters their preconceptions about playing games with other people, so it must be wrong.

For myself, Eve is my first MMO. It's ruined me, I've tried others and find them unsatisfying; here I have everything to lose if I screw up, the other MMOs I've played don't provide any player driven challenges to how I want to play.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
#1105 - 2017-03-02 18:15:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Erich Einstein
Hiasa Kite wrote:
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


  • Security standing hit for every target they kill

  • No insurance payout for their ship loss

  • 15 minute timer where if they undock or enter a new ship in space CONCORD will attack and destroy their ship

  • Cost to improve your security status from -10 using tags currently stands at 308,373,365.59 isk



    • U made my day - especially the last what i bolded;
    So much "punishment" for ganking few freighters per day in 1-2 system (of milions gates hahaha) over and over - and u have to pay what... a penny?...

    How much u got ISK from ganking a freighters befor you hit a standing which doesn't let u park in a safespot with your ganking fleet? 10 Bilions?

    What is 300 mil in compare of your 10B;

    I can't get of feeling that Baltec1 is a massive troll out here;

    If you're killing freighters, it's not unusual to be doing it alongside twenty other people, all taking sec huts that need repair. So now, the bill is 6bil.

    Think before you post, you'll save yourself a lot of embarrassment.

    Hence, controlling the rate at which you gank. There are many players in lowsec who enjoying pvpng but don't really have the time to grind isk for the cost of ships that they use. They still find it completely worth it to buy a plex one or two times a month to avoid the grind needed to maintain the costs of what they find enjoyable. Why is it wrong to enforce this thing on career criminals as well. Those who PvP effectively don't need to buy plex. Those who gank effectively shouldn't need to buy plex either.
    Erich Einstein
    Swoop Salvage
    #1106 - 2017-03-02 18:24:56 UTC
    baltec1 wrote:


    If its easy to multibox 11 accounts then how is it hard to have a webbing...


    Are you saying if you don't use illegal software to do it...
    Erich Einstein
    Swoop Salvage
    #1107 - 2017-03-02 18:27:29 UTC
    Ima Wreckyou wrote:
    54 pages and all just because he is too butthurt to purchase a mining permit for only 10mil ISK....


    I stole a bunch of mining permits from Kushion when I stole 95% of all his isk for three days straight in Uedama. Trust me, I'm good on mining permits.
    Erich Einstein
    Swoop Salvage
    #1108 - 2017-03-02 18:29:00 UTC
    Dom Arkaral wrote:
    Hey Erich

    Do you still think people agree with you? Because all I see is people wrecking you hahahaha
    And like Ima said, all these pages for a lack of a permit Roll

    Gotta love carebears

    P.s. no one in Black Rise cares who you are, and no one cares about your twitch either Lol


    Obviously you do or you wouldn't be trying to bash it so much...
    Dom Arkaral
    Bannheim
    Cuttlefish Collective
    #1109 - 2017-03-02 18:30:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Dom Arkaral
    Erich Einstein wrote:
    baltec1 wrote:


    If its easy to multibox 11 accounts then how is it hard to have a webbing...


    Are you saying if you don't use illegal software to do it...

    He does 12 toons in compliance with CCP rules
    Inb4 backfire effect

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    Jonah Gravenstein
    Machiavellian Space Bastards
    #1110 - 2017-03-02 18:30:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
    Erich Einstein wrote:
    Hence, controlling the rate at which you gank.
    This is what we call a nerf, a nerf being something negatively affects a playstyle, ship or module. Furthermore the current mechanics already place a hard limit on how often a character can gank.

    Quote:
    There are many players in lowsec who enjoying pvpng but don't really have the time to grind isk for the cost of ships that they use. They still find it completely worth it to buy a plex one or two times a month to avoid the grind needed to maintain the costs of what they find enjoyable.
    Do you have anything to back this up?

    Quote:
    Why is it wrong to enforce this thing on career criminals as well. Those who PvP effectively don't need to buy plex. Those who gank effectively shouldn't need to buy plex either.
    How is it enforced on lowsec players? They make a choice.

    In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

    New Player FAQ

    Feyd's Survival Pack
    Erich Einstein
    Swoop Salvage
    #1111 - 2017-03-02 18:32:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Erich Einstein
    Dom Arkaral wrote:
    Naye Nathaniel wrote:
    Dom Arkaral wrote:
    Naye Nathaniel wrote:
    baltec1 wrote:


    If its easy to multibox 11 accounts then how is it hard to have a webbing alt with the freighter?



    Well i'm not a pussy to abuse a game mechanic (webbing a freighter is using a game mechanic for your favor - as it's an exploit)

    Problem is still a Gangers which got at last NO enough punishment for their crimes;

    And hello Code'y Guy - I'm not a miner ; ) and even if I would refuse something that stupid like "mining permit" ;]

    Since when is webbing an exploit?! Hahahahah
    Does that mean every pvp'er ever is exploiting the game?

    And definitely a miner if you say you aren't....
    So miner, calm down Cool


    I see another piece of Wood came here so his "friend" can feel an e-peen growing; blocked :)

    That's the easiest "block" I've managed to get hahahahah
    These guys are so easily triggered

    Trigger all you want. All your are doing is ensuring that this thread stays at the top of the forum list so that others can read the OP. You think they are really going to read all of your trolls.
    Erich Einstein
    Swoop Salvage
    #1112 - 2017-03-02 18:36:58 UTC
    Dom Arkaral wrote:
    Erich Einstein wrote:
    baltec1 wrote:


    If its easy to multibox 11 accounts then how is it hard to have a webbing...


    Are you saying if you don't use illegal software to do it...

    He does 12 toons in compliance with CCP rules
    Inb4 backfire effect

    I can count more than a few times hes been banned.
    Dom Arkaral
    Bannheim
    Cuttlefish Collective
    #1113 - 2017-03-02 18:40:02 UTC
    Erich Einstein wrote:

    Trigger all you want. All your are doing is ensuring that this thread stays at the top of the forum list so that others can ready the OP. You think they are really going to read all of your trolls.

    Best start believing in troll threads Erich, you're in one

    Denial is all you have left Blink
    Especially since everyone is calling you out (and not supporting like you keep saying hahahahaha)

    Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester.

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    Erich Einstein
    Swoop Salvage
    #1114 - 2017-03-02 18:42:00 UTC
    Dom Arkaral wrote:
    Erich Einstein wrote:

    Trigger all you want. All your are doing is ensuring that this thread stays at the top of the forum list so that others can ready the OP. You think they are really going to read all of your trolls.

    Best start believing in troll threads Erich, you're in one

    Denial is all you have left Blink
    Especially since everyone is calling you out (and not supporting like you keep saying hahahahaha)

    That's why I have received 60+ likes from comments on this thread alone.
    Dom Arkaral
    Bannheim
    Cuttlefish Collective
    #1115 - 2017-03-02 18:42:15 UTC
    Erich Einstein wrote:
    Dom Arkaral wrote:
    Erich Einstein wrote:
    baltec1 wrote:


    If its easy to multibox 11 accounts then how is it hard to have a webbing...


    Are you saying if you don't use illegal software to do it...

    He does 12 toons in compliance with CCP rules
    Inb4 backfire effect

    I can count more than a few times hes been banned.

    You don't even know the cause of his only ban hahahaha

    This isn't the place to talk about that either ;)

    Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester.

    Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER

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    Ima Wreckyou
    The Conference Elite
    The Conference
    #1116 - 2017-03-02 18:42:48 UTC
    Erich Einstein wrote:
    Hence, controlling the rate at which you freight. There are many players in highsec who enjoying freighting but don't really have the time to grind isk for the cost of ships that they use. They still find it completely worth it to buy a plex one or two times a month to avoid the grind needed to maintain the costs of what they find enjoyable. Why is it wrong to enforce this thing on career couriers as well. Those who freight effectively don't need to buy plex. Those who freight effectively shouldn't need to buy plex either.

    FTFY

    Evil RatKid
    Dom Arkaral
    Bannheim
    Cuttlefish Collective
    #1117 - 2017-03-02 18:44:13 UTC
    Erich Einstein wrote:
    Dom Arkaral wrote:
    Erich Einstein wrote:

    Trigger all you want. All your are doing is ensuring that this thread stays at the top of the forum list so that others can ready the OP. You think they are really going to read all of your trolls.

    Best start believing in troll threads Erich, you're in one

    Denial is all you have left Blink
    Especially since everyone is calling you out (and not supporting like you keep saying hahahahaha)

    That's why I have received 60+ likes from comments on this thread alone.

    From what? 5 people?
    Likes don't mean much little man, look at Facebook and reddit (you know the place where you got down voted to hell lol)

    But "everyone supports me" Roll

    Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester.

    Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER

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    The Conference Elite
    The Conference
    #1118 - 2017-03-02 18:48:53 UTC
    Dom Arkaral wrote:
    Erich Einstein wrote:

    I can count more than a few times hes been banned.

    You don't even know the cause of his only ban hahahaha

    This isn't the place to talk about that either ;)

    Everytime he makes a game break for a few days they first celebrate because he is obviously banned. I mean people don't take breaks from playing a game.

    After celebrating for a few minutes, they realise that they are out of content and start to make up stories about CODE. dying.

    Seen it a few times now

    Evil RatKid
    Erich Einstein
    Swoop Salvage
    #1119 - 2017-03-02 18:50:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Erich Einstein
    Dom Arkaral wrote:
    Erich Einstein wrote:
    Dom Arkaral wrote:
    Erich Einstein wrote:

    Trigger all you want. All your are doing is ensuring that this thread stays at the top of the forum list so that others can ready the OP. You think they are really going to read all of your trolls.

    Best start believing in troll threads Erich, you're in one

    Denial is all you have left Blink
    Especially since everyone is calling you out (and not supporting like you keep saying hahahahaha)

    That's why I have received 60+ likes from comments on this thread alone.

    From what? 5 people?
    Likes don't mean much little man, look at Facebook and reddit (you know the place where you got down voted to hell lol)

    But "everyone supports me" Roll

    Cry me a river. There is a reason you took time out of your ganks to troll my thread.... Your playing my game when you actually want to be playing EVE. I know you can't just walk away though... It's ok. I don't blame you.
    Ima Wreckyou
    The Conference Elite
    The Conference
    #1120 - 2017-03-02 18:52:44 UTC
    Erich Einstein wrote:
    There is a reason you took time out of your ganks to troll my thread.... Your playing my game when you actually want to be playing EVE.

    I'm ganking right now. There is a 15min timer you know

    Evil RatKid