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To be honest, what's the best way of making ISK?
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Vito Tattaglia
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2011-12-28 03:02:13 UTC
I've been playing for about a month now, and so far I'm pretty poor in EVE standards. I only have 33 million, and 20 of that was made from selling my christmas gifts. I've been focusing on mining, but that is getting slightly dull, as I'm only making 300k every 7 minutes in my Retriever. Botting is a no go, as I prefer not to be banned. I was thinking of buying a PLEX, but I want that to be a last resort as I want to spend as little money on EVE as possible, other than the monthly sub. Right now I'm trying to train Mining Barge 5 to fly around a Covetor, but that is still 20 days away. What would you guys suggest I do in my position to make some ISK?
J Kunjeh
#2 - 2011-12-28 03:05:18 UTC  |  Edited by: J Kunjeh
Try doing all of the new player career missions....I hear they've beefed up the ISK/Ships/lootz earned and if you complete them all you'll be sitting on another 20-25 million plus a few ships and a pile of skill books.

"The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5) 
Tanith YarnDemon
Hypernet Inc.
Umbrella Chemical Inc
#3 - 2011-12-28 03:05:35 UTC
Whatever you're good at. If you don't know, read up on as much as you possibly can and try it all out. While trading may be most lucrative in theory, if you're poor at it anything will be better. EVE allows you to turn near enough any skill you may have into isk.

Personally I made my first few bil purely off of exploration and missions.
Airdorn
Tempest Vector
#4 - 2011-12-28 03:05:53 UTC
Do missions.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2011-12-28 03:06:39 UTC
Scamming is, by far, the best way to make isk. Mining is probably the worst way to make money and is so boring you'll quit the game in frustration before you make enough to recoup your investment in exhumers, mods and skillbooks.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
#6 - 2011-12-28 03:06:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Dirk Magnum
You're not actually that poor by newb standards. If you want to make more ISK than you are currently, try salvaging.

I mean, if you want to stay within predictable, conventional game mechanics. Otherwise, scam, scam, scam.

                      "LIVE FAST DIE." - traditional Minmatar ethos [citation needed]
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#7 - 2011-12-28 03:09:41 UTC
You are doing fine.
The trouble is the illusion of needing money.

You are training Barge 5 so you need enough to buy a Hulk and enough to replace it. What is it that makes you feel you need more ISK than you have now?

When I was a month old in EVE I think I had around 5 mill and I was happy. My plan was to own a Prophecy BC,t hey looked cool and I wanted one. So I played the game, made some ISK and got one. Enjoy it while it lasts. Noobness is valuable.
Samuel Adamms
WORLDSTAR HIPHOP
Brotherhood of Spacers
#8 - 2011-12-28 03:10:48 UTC
EVE is a social game, the best ways of making isk almost always involve interacting with other players. These are going to be more unfamiliar to new players though.

In the mean time, try ninja salvaging. You will get about 10mil/hour. There should be a ton of guides online to help you.
Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2011-12-28 03:15:49 UTC
Try everything. In the end do what you enjoy. Or rather, train first to optimize your ability to do what you enjoy. Eventually you may tire of the same old, same old, and train for other things when that happens.

In the end, buy plex only when needed. But as you play eve longer you will find the temptation to get that 2nd account grow stronger and stronger.


If that happens, bear this in mind.

If you find you love pvp above all else.

The money you might use to fund that second account, could also be used to buy plex to be sold for isk for the first account, to fund it's pvp activity.

Welcome to eve, I hope you enjoy her company as much as I have.

o7

Fly well or die well.

Ris Dnalor

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Infinimo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2011-12-28 03:33:14 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Scamming is, by far, the best way to make isk. Mining is probably the worst way to make money and is so boring you'll quit the game in frustration before you make enough to recoup your investment in exhumers, mods and skillbooks.

this basically, i have never done any grinding and i have ~70bill in assets and isk

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Infinimo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2011-12-28 03:33:21 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Scamming is, by far, the best way to make isk. Mining is probably the worst way to make money and is so boring you'll quit the game in frustration before you make enough to recoup your investment in exhumers, mods and skillbooks.

this basically, i have never done any grinding and i have ~70bill in assets and isk

Theta Squad best squad. Monocle crew represent~
Liam Mirren
#12 - 2011-12-28 03:35:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Liam Mirren
As others have stated mining is not very good income, there'll always be people defending it with illogical nonsense reasoning but the truth is that it sucks, it's done mostly half-afk with close to zero effort so logically it CAN'T be good income. Ditch mining (unless you really REALLY, honestly, like it), and have a look at your options.

- run combat missions, that gives you good and dependable income while you're training up your ship skills

- learn about exploration, less repetitive than missions but also less predictable income

- (ninja) salvaging, salvage other people's wrecks either with or without their consent (this is VERY good income for starters and doesn't take much SP, just effort and a certain mindset)

- trading, buy low and sell high. Learn about people's habits and exploit it. Can make massive isk but if you take it too serious it has a habit of turning into Spreadsheets Online. If you keep it simple it's a nice addition to your income

- become part of a really active corp that does stuff WAY out of your comfort zone, it'll require you to be bold and be willing to learn and put in effort but tagging along with the "big boys" mostly means you'll see a whole lot of the game, more than you would solo or in a zombie corp, you'll find that in that group there's lots of things to do that lower SP players can do just fine, if they have the will to succeed. Most of the times such willing newbies are helped along just fine, isk and ship wise.


There's way more options, if anything don't commit to a single thing because it'll bore you to death after a while. Do different things like a day of trading, next day some missions or clown around with probes for exploration. Keep it interesting and realise that you don't HAVE to grind, at all. Also, isk doesn't HAVE to be a goal. As long as you make more than you lose, why would you really care about how much you have.

To start out I'd opt for running missions combined with some trading, while you put in effort to learn more about the game. That or the last option i mentioned, where you join some really active corp.

Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
Raiykjab
Federal Navy Academy
#13 - 2011-12-28 03:54:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Raiykjab
I'm curious to know what you choosed as a christmas gift, and I hope you didn't include the implants inside, caus if you did things right you'd have well enough isks to buy yourself a plex and a hulk if you wanted to.

Now if you want good isks you are out of luck in your retriever, your covetor won't be much better, I also mine a bit, but only when I'm too lazy to do smth else and still wanna get my injection of videogame (camping static ded for respwan is relaxing too tho).

Exploration is nice, but it's very hit and miss. You can make hundreads of millions in two hours when you are freaking lucky, and sometimes you'll do nearly nothing for days. Overall if you skill enough for it you'll be able to do more than solo mining in a hulk. Somewhere between running l3 and l4 missions.

Another thing you might have missed is planetary interaction (PI). This will cost you a couple dozens millions isks to setup, but then it's a small passive income you'll cash in from time to time, 100mil a month should be doable on hi-sec planets. Just don't mess up and research what are the goods worth producing, you ll find a few hints by googling the subject.

Best money maker would be missions lv 4. Steady income.

What I would do if I were you. Setup some PI colonies asap if you didn't, you'll be able to cash in your investement pretty fast, get at least 4 planets for a start. Then get yourself a decent combat ship to mission lv 3 and exploration. I do it in a drake which is a very fine ship when most of your skills aren't combat skills. Learn how to prob, up your support skills, run some lv 3 missions for standing(you need standing with corps if you want to perfect refine your ore), explore some sites, cash in your PI, mine, mix in activities.

Sidenote Hulkkagedon will be due soon, so you better be prepared to park your mining ships and do smth else when it lasts.

That sums it, fly safe

PS: this post almost got forum ganked

Eve has miners?!
Dbars Grinding
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#14 - 2011-12-28 05:16:24 UTC
i would train for probing. Go to Dodixie probe down battleships that are away from the main station. Salvage the lvl 4 missions they are doing. Talk to people you find in missions/local. Find good corp. Later do exploration with said probe skills. /Profit

I have more space likes than you. 
Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
#15 - 2011-12-28 05:19:06 UTC
Pull a EBANK bank Scam ... oh tears were flowing that day.Lol

600 Billion profit !!!

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Selinate
#16 - 2011-12-28 05:20:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Selinate
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Scamming is, by far, the best way to make isk. Mining is probably the worst way to make money and is so boring you'll quit the game in frustration before you make enough to recoup your investment in exhumers, mods and skillbooks.


Why can't people be more thorough when they just say "Scamming is the best way to make isk"? Not all scamming is created equal. Spamming a one trit for 2 billion isk will actually turn out to be isk inefficient compared to level 4 missions.

If you actually want to make a decent amount of isk through scamming, you have to rip off people directly through trade windows or other means, or possibly corp theft, but no, scamming in general is not necessarily the best way to make isk.
Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#17 - 2011-12-28 05:22:06 UTC
Incursions. Train up a good armor ship, find a fleet in one of the player run incursion channels, make isk.


Secondly would be blitzing level 4 missions for loyalty points. (aka: skip as much of the mission as possible, grab objective, turn it in)

Third best is going to be running sanctums/havens in -.8 through -.9 nullsec.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2011-12-28 05:25:15 UTC
EVE is game, and unless your game within EVE is become rich then the purpose is having fun Big smile
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#19 - 2011-12-28 06:39:12 UTC
It's a huge detriment to the game to "need ISK". But the game pretty much has nowhere to go beyond that, and too much advertising of "he who has most ISK in his wallet wins" has created such a player base. The kind of players who, if you reduce a bounty one ISK or make a mining laser yield 1 percent less they howl and scream and claim that CCP hates them personally and favors all other player goals over theirs.

So once every player latches on to that huge "ISK teet" like a young calf it's next to impossible to get them off it.


Here's a suggestion: unless seeing a larger number IS your game, and only your game, forget ISK. Find you how you like to play, whether it's ship toasting, exploration, experimental fitting, or whatever, and play that way. ISK will roll in and at a such a rate that if you play well you will be able to replace lost ships.

There are a lot of people who live under the idea that a "leet" PVP'er typically has to have a "carebear alt" running missions in high sec or mining to finance that PVP main, but I have observed that such players are stupidly throwing ships into meat grinders over dumb camp/blob tactics and calling that PVP.

All of that is a lie. It's "demolition derby" style of playing and yes you need lots of ISK for that but otherwise if you play your game your way and find a way to be good at it ISK will not be a huge factor nor something you care much about.

Sometimes I go for months without earning ISK, but because of exploration I have a lot of goodies that I am too lazy to contract/auction. I only run level 4 missions to get SOE LPs or because even after nearly 6 years of playing, I have still not yet seen every level 4 mission.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#20 - 2011-12-28 06:41:55 UTC
Dbars Grinding wrote:
i would train for probing. Go to Dodixie probe down battleships that are away from the main station. Salvage the lvl 4 missions they are doing. Talk to people you find in missions/local. Find good corp. Later do exploration with said probe skills. /Profit



There is a FREE WRECKS channel where you will find some level 4 mission runners who will blue every wreck and you can make ISK like a bandit.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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