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Ajem Hinken
WarFear Gaming
#21 - 2017-02-22 02:59:01 UTC
Cade Windstalker wrote:
Ajem Hinken wrote:
Cool. And yes, I know that. I've been webbed before. :P


Just so long as we're clear that webs do have stacking penalties, even Serpentis webs. 90% webs are just silly silly things and stupidly powerful.

Lol I can just imagine how funny it'd be to watch someone in a frig dual-webbing a destroyer and running from it, while the destroyer was dual-webbing the frig, and not shooting just for the lols.

Frigate pilot be like: YES! They're getting .1m away every second!

Destroyer pilot be like: This is embarrassing... I can't close to use my blasters...

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Ajem Hinken
WarFear Gaming
#22 - 2017-02-22 03:02:00 UTC
Amojin wrote:
So long as T2 BPO's exist. and AFAIK, there are a bunch of these still held in rich people's hands, depite what we rabble go through, improvement of copies is not something I would balk at, at all, in increasing time or material efficiency, or even in being able to modify the number of runs.

Since T2 BPO's were not annihilated, OP, I'd be willing to stand behind any reasonable proposal, at all, since having a 'grandfathered' BPO of a T2 anything is certainly not how CCP handles anything else. When ships are nerfed, they are not grandfathered in based on date of creation...

I didn't even think T2 or above BPO's existed... and that they were unfindable anywhere. How might one attain one of these, if said one were too stupid to do Invention?

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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#23 - 2017-02-22 03:17:13 UTC
Ajem Hinken wrote:
Amojin wrote:
So long as T2 BPO's exist. and AFAIK, there are a bunch of these still held in rich people's hands, depite what we rabble go through, improvement of copies is not something I would balk at, at all, in increasing time or material efficiency, or even in being able to modify the number of runs.

Since T2 BPO's were not annihilated, OP, I'd be willing to stand behind any reasonable proposal, at all, since having a 'grandfathered' BPO of a T2 anything is certainly not how CCP handles anything else. When ships are nerfed, they are not grandfathered in based on date of creation...

I didn't even think T2 or above BPO's existed... and that they were unfindable anywhere. How might one attain one of these, if said one were too stupid to do Invention?


Places like this. No new ones have been created since this. The total number of T2 BPOs is pretty much insignificant compared to the volume of trade.
Amojin
Doomheim
#24 - 2017-02-22 03:18:06 UTC
Ajem Hinken wrote:
Amojin wrote:
So long as T2 BPO's exist. and AFAIK, there are a bunch of these still held in rich people's hands, depite what we rabble go through, improvement of copies is not something I would balk at, at all, in increasing time or material efficiency, or even in being able to modify the number of runs.

Since T2 BPO's were not annihilated, OP, I'd be willing to stand behind any reasonable proposal, at all, since having a 'grandfathered' BPO of a T2 anything is certainly not how CCP handles anything else. When ships are nerfed, they are not grandfathered in based on date of creation...

I didn't even think T2 or above BPO's existed... and that they were unfindable anywhere. How might one attain one of these, if said one were too stupid to do Invention?



You won't. They're almost never traded, and the sums are so far beyond belief that you may as just well forget about it.

They're 'inventors god-mode,' grandfathered items that exist from before, and unlike everything else in the game, they persist in their owners little George Soros type hands.
Cade Windstalker
#25 - 2017-02-22 03:26:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Cade Windstalker
Amojin wrote:
Cade Windstalker wrote:
Also the current method of T2 invention actually beats out a lot of BPOs for high end production at any volume due to the copy time required on the T2 BPOs.


They have a different time to copy than we do to create them? This is something I would have no knowledge of, since I have to research every ccpy I make. I've never been in the position to 'copy' a T2 BPO.

How much time are we talking about, here?


The time is different but that's not the issue, the issue is you can only run one copy job per BPO while you can run as many invention jobs as you have materials for, more or less.

Also FYI copying takes 80% of the build time of the item.

Also on top of all of this quite a few T2 items don't even have BPOs, even discounting those items whose BPOs have been removed due to the aforementioned circumstances.
Ajem Hinken
WarFear Gaming
#26 - 2017-02-22 03:29:21 UTC
Amojin wrote:
Ajem Hinken wrote:
Amojin wrote:
So long as T2 BPO's exist. and AFAIK, there are a bunch of these still held in rich people's hands, depite what we rabble go through, improvement of copies is not something I would balk at, at all, in increasing time or material efficiency, or even in being able to modify the number of runs.

Since T2 BPO's were not annihilated, OP, I'd be willing to stand behind any reasonable proposal, at all, since having a 'grandfathered' BPO of a T2 anything is certainly not how CCP handles anything else. When ships are nerfed, they are not grandfathered in based on date of creation...

I didn't even think T2 or above BPO's existed... and that they were unfindable anywhere. How might one attain one of these, if said one were too stupid to do Invention?



You won't. They're almost never traded, and the sums are so far beyond belief that you may as just well forget about it.

They're 'inventors god-mode,' grandfathered items that exist from before, and unlike everything else in the game, they persist in their owners little George Soros type hands.

LOL so basically buying Microsoft without a large business unlikely. Got it.

So how the hell do you do Invention? It's a station service, it seems, but I can't find it on any stations...

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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#27 - 2017-02-22 03:30:39 UTC
Ajem Hinken wrote:

So how the hell do you do Invention? It's a station service, it seems, but I can't find it on any stations...


What? Any station with research will work.
Cade Windstalker
#28 - 2017-02-22 03:35:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Cade Windstalker
Amojin wrote:
You won't. They're almost never traded, and the sums are so far beyond belief that you may as just well forget about it.

They're 'inventors god-mode,' grandfathered items that exist from before, and unlike everything else in the game, they persist in their owners little George Soros type hands.


This is not actually accurate. You can find them on contract from time to time, or on sale under other circumstances. The few very profitable ones rarely change hands, but others do, because as has been previously pointed out they're not actually god mode or anything of the sort and someone doing serious T2 production still needs to do invention, even for an item they have a fully researched BPO for.

Case and point. and that's just one quick search.

EDIT: To clarify the exact problem with buying T2 BPCs, and why it's not all that uncommon to find them for sale. It would take you years to earn back the cost of any of those T2 BPCs in that screenshot, and the same is true for every one currently existing on the market.

Most people who own one use it for a while, make a bit of a profit, and then sell it again to recoup their initial investment cost, more or less.

If you want to buy one it's totally doable.
Ajem Hinken
WarFear Gaming
#29 - 2017-02-22 11:04:35 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Ajem Hinken wrote:

So how the hell do you do Invention? It's a station service, it seems, but I can't find it on any stations...


What? Any station with research will work.

As in the time and other research stuff?

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Cade Windstalker
#30 - 2017-02-22 15:03:09 UTC
Ajem Hinken wrote:
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Ajem Hinken wrote:

So how the hell do you do Invention? It's a station service, it seems, but I can't find it on any stations...


What? Any station with research will work.

As in the time and other research stuff?


Here's Neville Smit's guide to Invention.
Ajem Hinken
WarFear Gaming
#31 - 2017-02-23 02:04:07 UTC
Cade Windstalker wrote:
Ajem Hinken wrote:
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Ajem Hinken wrote:

So how the hell do you do Invention? It's a station service, it seems, but I can't find it on any stations...


What? Any station with research will work.

As in the time and other research stuff?


Here's Neville Smit's guide to Invention.

Got it. Seems pretty much inaccessible to an Alpha rn, but it's probs gonna be on my roadmap soon. Just got to get that billion ISK...

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Cade Windstalker
#32 - 2017-02-23 02:25:01 UTC
Ajem Hinken wrote:
Cade Windstalker wrote:

Here's Neville Smit's guide to Invention.

Got it. Seems pretty much inaccessible to an Alpha rn, but it's probs gonna be on my roadmap soon. Just got to get that billion ISK...


Yeah, T2 production is one of those things that's restricted from Alphas for reasons of the huge amounts of imbalance and abuse giving it to them would create...

I know a billion seems a long ways off, but you'll be there before you know it. Just may take some risk taking on your part Big smile
Ajem Hinken
WarFear Gaming
#33 - 2017-02-23 02:30:05 UTC
Cade Windstalker wrote:
Ajem Hinken wrote:
Cade Windstalker wrote:

Here's Neville Smit's guide to Invention.

Got it. Seems pretty much inaccessible to an Alpha rn, but it's probs gonna be on my roadmap soon. Just got to get that billion ISK...


Yeah, T2 production is one of those things that's restricted from Alphas for reasons of the huge amounts of imbalance and abuse giving it to them would create...

I know a billion seems a long ways off, but you'll be there before you know it. Just may take some risk taking on your part Big smile

If cargo scanners can be used by Alpha's, I'll just use a cheap ship to pinch a PLEX or five off of an idiot stupid enough to carry them.

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Ajem Hinken
WarFear Gaming
#34 - 2017-02-23 02:30:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Ajem Hinken
Ajem Hinken wrote:
Cade Windstalker wrote:
Ajem Hinken wrote:
Cade Windstalker wrote:

Here's Neville Smit's guide to Invention.

Got it. Seems pretty much inaccessible to an Alpha rn, but it's probs gonna be on my roadmap soon. Just got to get that billion ISK...


Yeah, T2 production is one of those things that's restricted from Alphas for reasons of the huge amounts of imbalance and abuse giving it to them would create...

I know a billion seems a long ways off, but you'll be there before you know it. Just may take some risk taking on your part Big smile

If cargo scanners can be used by Alpha's without provoking CONCORD, I'll just use a cheap ship to pinch a PLEX or five off of an idiot stupid enough to carry them.

Edit: Did I really hit quote and not notice I didn't hit Edit...

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