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Van Doe
#1 - 2017-02-18 02:09:27 UTC
How about creating a faction currency.

Handle isk like regular items.
So banking would only work within amar space for example
So if you leave amar space you need to have cash with you if you want to buy something in jita.
So you neef to choose a bank from each faction if you switch bank it takes. X time to transfer money to the new account.
1. This could be a huge isk sink due to cash destroyed in pvp
2. New professions in banking and isk howling.
3. New opportunitys for scammers.

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Ncc 1709
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#2 - 2017-02-18 02:17:34 UTC
use plex....
Dark Lord Trump
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#3 - 2017-02-18 02:57:05 UTC
We already have a faction currency, LP. I'm pretty sure that creating Amarr Dollars or whatever it would be called is probably in violation of some CONCORD treaty anyway.

I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
Lugh Crow-Slave
#4 - 2017-02-18 02:57:27 UTC
and all trading in eve was further pushed to jita

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Wolfgang Jannesen
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2017-02-18 03:11:50 UTC
*ahem* Why?
Cade Windstalker
#6 - 2017-02-18 03:47:36 UTC
ISK = Interstellar Kredits

In lore the entire point if ISK is that it can be spent anywhere. The various empires have their own currency, but no Capsuleer would ever accept it as payment.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#7 - 2017-02-18 06:01:47 UTC
oh is that what it means in game i always just read it as Icelandic Króna

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Van Doe
#8 - 2017-02-18 10:03:26 UTC
Faction currency is probably the wrong word.
I mean faction banking
So you might have the
state bank of amar
Caldari credit bank
Minmatar financial institute.
Galente Bank

Could also imagine
Bank of soe
Interstellar concord bank
And so on

So you're banking only works on stations your bank hase sovereignty.
Much like the faction NPC corps.

So you could ether transport cash from dodixie to jita or pay a tax for money transfer to a foreign bank that will paid out as cash.

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Van Doe
#9 - 2017-02-18 10:07:37 UTC
Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:
*ahem* Why?

Isk sink
Scamming
New professions

Cash in the cargo would add danger

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#10 - 2017-02-18 10:09:51 UTC
Van Doe wrote:
Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:
*ahem* Why?

Isk sink
Scamming
New professions

Cash in the cargo would add danger

But we all bank with the SCC, and they already charge us tax for using them for transactions.
That isk sink already exists.
Van Doe
#11 - 2017-02-18 10:12:40 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Van Doe wrote:
Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:
*ahem* Why?

Isk sink
Scamming
New professions

Cash in the cargo would add danger

But we all bank with the SCC, and they already charge us tax for using them for transactions.
That isk sink already exists.

Tell me about how you destroy isk by shooting people?

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Van Doe
#12 - 2017-02-18 10:17:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Van Doe
Also I suggest charging tax on money transfer to a other toon if you don't share the same bank.
To avoid using alts to work around this.

Handling cash will still be tax free.

And at this point people are going to howling cash (because greed) between the major trade hubs.

If you sell items on a foreign market you get paid in cash. Maybe also taxed.

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Van Doe
#13 - 2017-02-18 10:26:20 UTC
Cade Windstalker wrote:
ISK = Interstellar Kredits

In lore the entire point if ISK is that it can be spent anywhere. The various empires have their own currency, but no Capsuleer would ever accept it as payment.

Wow you are so smart. I bet you're mother is proud of you.

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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#14 - 2017-02-18 10:34:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
Van Doe wrote:
howling.

Roll Made me chuckle as it perfectly describes what drivel you just posted.

That aside, I don't think you understand banks or have not had a look into where big banks on our planet (even inside a single country) have subsidiaries and counters.
Van Doe wrote:
Tell me about how you destroy isk by shooting people?

People had to buy their ships, modules and ammo. These purchases were all subject to taxes and broker fees, which got removed from the economy, aka destroyed. Roll

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Van Doe
#15 - 2017-02-18 10:38:56 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Van Doe wrote:
howling.

Roll Made me chuckle as it perfectly describes what drivel you just posted.

That aside, I don't think you understand banks or have not had a look into where big banks on our planet (even inside a single country) have subsidiaries and counters.

I don't think you understand that eve is a fictional game.
There is nothing faster than light is not even on your planet.

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Van Doe
#16 - 2017-02-18 10:51:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Van Doe
People buy ships and amo that is right and they do pay tax on it that is right.
The thing that is Absolutely incorrect is that the taxes are paid depending on the destruction of items.

By traveling from jita to dodixie in a noob ship with 3bil on board because there is a plex sold 200.000 cheaper in dodixie and otherwise you hade to pay 600.000 for rhe money transfer. On the way you get ganked and the loot good is not in a good mood.
3bil isk are officially taken out of the game in 1 hit

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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#17 - 2017-02-18 10:57:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
Care to explain how is it incorrect? Without destruction of the items, there would be no taxes paid because no one would buy items.
Van Doe wrote:
I don't think you understand that eve is a fictional game.
There is nothing faster than light is not even on your planet.

What I tried to explain is that even in our times, banks already are way ahead of your conception of money transfer. Or have you ever heard of Paypal, that fancy money service that lets you pay bank independent? Or of Bitcoin? The fancy virtual currency that you do not physically have in your pockets but only in form of bar codes on your phone or a strip of paper. And in this fictional context of EVE, I doubt I have to explain to you that you do not run around any longer with gadgets and instead use your neural implants to do these money transfers of virtual currency. You want to turn something that already works perfectly well in the fictional context into something that does not work and is not explainable with any sort of logic or illogical approach. Blink
Furthermore, since EVE is a fictional setting, I do not think you understand that aspect very well. Else, would you care to explain why someone would physically transport ISK (which do not even exist in a physical form, just saying) from one system to another if you can transport their value via the Fluid-Router-Network of the stargate network from one system to another faster and more reliably? Roll

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Van Doe
#18 - 2017-02-18 11:15:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Van Doe
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Care to explain how is it incorrect? Without destruction of the items, there would be no taxes paid because no one would buy items.
Van Doe wrote:
I don't think you understand that eve is a fictional game.
There is nothing faster than light is not even on your planet.

What I tried to explain is that even in our times, banks already are way ahead of your conception of money transfer. Or have you ever heard of Paypal, that fancy money service that lets you pay bank independent? Or of Bitcoin? The fancy virtual currency that you do not physically have in your pockets but only in form of bar codes on your phone or a strip of paper. And in this fictional context of EVE, I doubt I have to explain to you that you do not run around any longer with gadgets and instead use your neural implants to do these money transfers of virtual currency. You want to turn something that already works perfectly well in the fictional context into something that does not work and is not explainable with any sort of logic or illogical approach. Blink
Furthermore, since EVE is a fictional setting, I do not think you understand that aspect very well. Else, would you care to explain why someone would physically transport ISK (which do not even exist in a physical form, just saying) from one system to another if you can transport their value via the Fluid-Router-Network of the stargate network from one system to another faster and more reliably? Roll


So you are telling me if someone is shooting someone else even in null. They should be banned for x years and pay reparations?
Because our law and justice system is way ahead of eve's?

And congratulations you figured out physical isk dose not exist.
If only my suggestion was about that.

And why they transport.
See above aka taxes aka greed.
Also my bank changes on my transfer to a foreign country even if its the same currency.

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Van Doe
#19 - 2017-02-18 11:34:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Van Doe
The logic.
4 factions hostile to each other.
Or do you think the usa and is having good banking relationships?
Brings me to a new idea for a addition.

To create a bank account you need to have positive standing.

Wich would impact criminals and like criminals in general they do prefer cash.

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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#20 - 2017-02-18 11:48:36 UTC
I'm pretty sure the US dollar works just about anywhere, actually. Visa/Mastercard too. You really don't need to carry cash most of the time. Hell, with apple/google pay you don't even need to carry your damn card anymore.



Now. We do indeed have four major factions. We also have international (intergalactic?) agreements between them in the form of CONCORD. Which includes the SCC, the organisation that handles all trade in space stations and all of our banking. Which is a nice lore reason not to make actually playing the game really, really irritating.


I live in Delve. In space controlled by Goonswarm Federation. How would I be able to actually have isk anymore under your proposal?
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