EVE General Discussion

You mention no other game has something of the kind - well, for example the paperdoll interface in Ultima Online gives away everything character has equipped even before seeing everything as loot.

Killmails are good references for recalling great space battles. I have referred to mails and battle reports generated from mails numerous times when discussing certain fleet formats or when simply having a laugh with my spaceship friends - it is much more illustrative than mere narrative (and mails are not distorted in time, much like original documents from an archive vs someone's memories).

Eve is about honour not killmails. In fact the mails are a great testament to your virtuous path in eve and if someone wanted them removed, my first guess would be that the person talking can't kill anything without their falcon alt and is ashamed of it or something. I don't mean this as a personal insult to the OP just to be clear, but I really can't see what makes them bad.

Killmails can be used for reference to ponder on someone's virtuousness on the following levels:
Honesty: has the pilot brought the fit he claims he can use? can they follow fitting guidelines for a gang format?
Compassion: is the pilot fitting modules which benefit everyone in the gang instead of only himself?
Valor: is the pilot's combat record evidence of no fear agains unfavourable odds?
Justice: does the pilot regularly engage in anti-piracy?
Sacrifice: is there evidence of selfless actions (such as suicide tackling, bumping etc) for the greater benefit of others?
Honour: always presume Honour, but look for evidence of dishonoured duels and needing ECM to win.
Spirituality: can you see creativity and a deep understanding of game mechanics from the fit on the killmail?
Humility: the effective use of cheaper ship hulls and fits instead of needing maximum pimpage to win.


((originally i wanted post a comparison of eve with no killmails and sex with no erection, but this somehow went better than expected))

A good analogy must be moderately realistic. Saying that eating corn on the cob is like pooping on grandma's face doesn't actually provide any useful information, except that there's something wrong with the person who thinks the analogy makes sense.

Well, even in the real world it is not. Acceptable losses, all that. It's all in the numbers.

His analogy was fine. He stressed that most PvP is about picking fights you know you can't lose. When put in a closed society where lawlessness is written in stone, some loot and riot in loose gangs called corps and alliances. They will dominate the closed society.

How do you think EVE came to be? Data from EVE was used to form public policy. Now that is scary.

I posted with this character since it is my main. This is the first character I ever created, is the primary character I play, and my PVP alt is currently on an account suspended due to RL finances.



Thank for addressing a point I did not think to make originally. My PVP alt is specialized in ewar and stealth, and therefore, would not show up on most killmails, anyway. Since the character acts as a scout, ewar, cyno, or other support role, I do not fly DPS fits with it. As a result of this, I do not show up on most killmails.

I understand the use, and even need, for public K/D ratios, and fully support those. I even support a limited KM system, that says something like, "(Player A) flying (ship type X) killed (Player B's ship type Y)."

However, my problem lies in the amount of intel provided by the existing killmail system. Why should everyone in the world, suddenly be able to know exactly what was fitted on my ship, and what was in my cargohold? I could see KMs listing items that survived, since those can be looted by somebody. But how could you possibly know what items I had that were destroyed, unless you had used a ship or cargo scanner on my ship before you destroyed it?

I'm not saying that KMs should be removed from the game, only that the amount of information provided in them be limited to what you could learn after my ship is already destroyed. I believe that this meta-gaming statistic needs to be altered, to reduce the level of whoring, e-peen waving, douchebaggery that exists due to the current system. PVP should not be about padding statistics, it should be about fighting someone for a real purpose. Real purposes include claiming/defending sov, denial of assets, disruption of operations, having fun, even for lols/tears.

KM whoring just to pad statistics makes people not different than any of the children and basement-dwellers that spend their days playing CoD, BF, Halo, etc., and get upset when their K/D ratio shifts a point or two towards the loss side of things. People that do this, really need to put down their controller/step away from their computer for a few days, get a life, and try interacting with people in RL for a change. Life is not all about statistics. Learn that and anyone can become a better person.

Have fun and fly safe.

I never had a kill mail until today, so decided to get one to have an opinion on it, and I say OP is wrong. I even fitted terribad T1 crap on a frigate to prove OP's post wrong.

All of this in the spirit of research. I don't see anything wrong in the current Kill Mail system, except perhaps LAST BLOW guys should get like a star or a hello kitty face next to their names for showing they laid the final blow for maximum trolling, like I did back in EQ1 with my ShadowKnight and KSed final blow off everybody with my Buffed to AA hell Harm touch which I proceeded to SS and post on forums, yeah, good times.

Also hi to my companions for this venture for being awesome and letting me pvp with them in my crap fit. You rock and make eve better with your open minded attitudes and also boo at the guys in Cynabals that forced us out of our gatecamp and pwned us

True Story

This is just plain wrong, or at the least the reason you're not on KM's is not what you think.

EWAR shows up on killmails. Anyone that has an active, offensive module on the ship when it explodes, or at any time while it was being exploded, show up on the killmail. I've flown tackle, track, jam, and damp. I've run the gambit in ewar. Not this character, who's only had the privilege of being podded by myself, but on both my others. I'm not on the top of the KM, which is reserved to damage, but am certainly listed.

Consider the bottom 5 or so pilots on this KM for example: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=13353293

In fact, fly dict and you get on the KM of everyone who died in your bubble, which is why most of the highest rated PvP pilots on battleclinic are in fact dictor pilots.

Scout is understandable, since your role is not to play a part at all in the actual melee, but if you're not getting on KMs as ewar then you're not activating your modules, plain and simple. It's hard to think of a role that's more KM whore friendly THAN ewar actually. Even scouts can pop in and shoot a turret or rocket at something when the outcome is obvious...

Don't know what you're really crying about, but your story smells funny.



Well, 98% of it is anyway.

Yes, let's remove the only reason a lot of people even bother to PVP at all. That will improve PVP.

I love Killmails. Love them.

Love looking at what the other guy had fit and figuring out why. Love having a permanent record of who I beat and who I lost too. Love knowing how much it cost, how much ISK I burned or how much I destroyed.

If anything I think there should be a CCP Sponsored Kill Board Site as well on the off chance anything happens to Battleclinic or EVEKill so no records get lost.

It is not about Epeen for me. I collect them for Funsies. It is the biggest reason I put down the Raven or my Exploration Ship and find people to shoot.

Works as intended, petition closed.

No really, this is sadly the way CCP encourages the blood/tearshed. It's all about hurting players, taking what they own, feeling good about it and boast about it. So in terms of role playing games many players chose the tear harvester demon class.

It's established, removing it would make people emo quit rage, though I guess, those players deserve some crying themselves.