EVE General Discussion

my alts were born in 2003 and 2004, what does DOB have to do with alts? I suppose I could say that I have a research main, an industrial main, a sub-cap pvp main, and a cap-pvp main, and a cyno-main....

but the reality is they are alts, except ris, which is the main. In any case that's what I meant by alt.

I shall modify the statement thusly:

"I smell an industrial character"

People that can't differentiate between computer games and real life are ******* scary and probably shouldn't be allowed to participate in either.

I was going to say I somewhat agree with your post, but this gem just makes me want to run away as fast and as far as possible.

You wouldn't need all the information you get in a KM to prove your worth as a merc.

You can prove efficiency with loss/kill ratio only for the most part. Mostly though, you'd be trying for testimonials and word of mouth. Become a feared member of the merc community and you don't need any stupid killboard to prove yourself. Frankly, a KB says nothing about whether you honor your contracts, etc...so I personally wouldn't hire a merc on that info only.

The important aspect, that which the OP is actually bitching about (checking that your PvP employees are PvPing and not failfitting) could be impremented with the current system but by limiting access to fit information to yourself and employers. Even if only self, an alliance could continue monitoring its members through the API, which has become pretty powerful for providing exactly what information is needed and to whom.

At any rate, I do agree that the KM system is a bit flawed and takes away from the game by forcing everyone to be worried about harming some stupid statistic. I'd like to let my corp members be as stupid as they want on their own time, but because it effects the KB, and because ****** KB stats limit my ability to recruit and join alliances, I can't.

It's called an analogy. Not seeing that makes you scary.

1. Combat log. Its mine. It is not effortless to kill you. I earned it, I deserve it. If I choose to share that intel with the internet for free that is my and the internets business.
2. Killboards. They were broken, IMHO, for listing POS modules and other inanimate objects. They fixed that, and now keep track of implants.
3. Forced PvP. If your corp forces you to do PvP that you don't want to do, you are a ******* leech. Don't join a PvP corp for the sake of being in a PvP corp, join one for shooting motherfuckers.
4. Intel. Between local and evewho as intel tools you can be an intel pro in any sector of space. Your only excuse is that you are lazy. There is no reason to want intel on YOUR enemy. If I am trying to kill you, you need intel on me. Those are the tools that help you get the killmail that have nothing to do with killmails, and they are lethal. Cry about them while you are trying to kill PvP moar.

I agree, kill mails are a negative for Eve. War/combat should be about something greater than a bunch of silly stats.

Every corp I've ever been in has never ever required "X number of killmails per month or get kicked out" and would never support it. In fact, I've talked to a very good friend in an elite PvP corp in an elite PvP alliance and they don't have that rule. So either you are finding the wrong corps or you don't get the true grasp on PvP.

There are only two types of corporations that require killmail counts to maintain membership...

1) Corporations that select on the most-skilled pilots in New Eden for the purposes of Player vs. Player engagements on a wide array of fronts, from solo work to fleet battles and everything in between, so as to maintain a reputation as a lethal and effective organization worthy of a) hiring, b) avoiding, c) attacking (for good challenge), or d) defining successful PvP methods.

2) New Corporations that don't have a clue about PvP and are hoping this requirement somehow tricks a veteran into sticking with them and, hopefully, one day leading them to be a corporation similar to that described in #1.

Killmails serve an invaluable purpose in EVE Online and many other games, especially those of the MMO sort, as they help track and define how combat is taking place, why it is taking place, and where flaws and best-practices are taking place. If anything, Killmails most help CCP - the developing company - by making this information easy to capture, analyze, and work from.

As far as players concern, the need for killmails ranges from pure unadulterated self-pride to in-depth strategy building sessions. Anyone who knows something about PvP in EVE will know there is no such thing as a 'best fit' for any ship, just as there is no best ship for any engagement. Frigates kill Battlecruisers, Battleships kill frigates without drones, and that Orca really did take down a battleship...killmails hold excellent stories, stupid tragedies, awesome experiences, and important lessons learned the lucky...but more often, hard...way.

Killmails are by far NOT the reason why EVE PvP needs help (though it does indeed need help in some areas...always will, such is the nature of 100% player-driven content) but really are an indispensable tool for improving EVE Online.

TL;DR Smart and Logically Supported Answer in the event your question and proposed topic isn't a trolling post. Please read thoroughly so you fully understand the importance, and therefore necessity, of killmails.

If Troll, disregard above text - you're an idiot, please return to the bridge labeled "Faction Warfare" and make yourself useful by forcing a hapless GM or Developer to actually acknowledge the existence of those threads and their needs.

I have never heard of a corp requiring X kills per month. I hear people saying respond to CTA's but not getting X kills.

If you need X amount of KMs a month then you are doing it wrong.