EVE General Discussion

Killmails are the biggest problem with EVE. If you're in corp A you must be on X number of killmails a month. We're fighting corp B, and we know they use Z fit, so you must fly ship B and use fit Y. Killmails ruin the PVP aspect of the game for many other people. Considering how many threads I have seen about removing killmails, I know that I am not alone in this regard.

What other game do you play that gives more than just the name of character you killed, or even just basic stats like how many people you killed? What game, when you kill another character, tells you (regardless of whether you loot them or not) EXACTLY what they had equipped, how much damage they dealt, what buffs were affecting them, and (the ultimate bullshit) what was in their inventory?

Removing killmails would actually promote PVP, as more people would be willing to go into a fight, even knowing they may lose. No one would need to worry about being humiliated for so-called "lolfits". No one could be excluded for not having enough kills. Killmails take a lot of the fun out of the game.

If you want to know what your target has fitted or in cargo, use ship and cargo scanners before you kill them. Killmails are also a big reason that people gank. I won't argue that people gank for fun or profit, but people that do it just to pad their kill/lose ratio are just pathetic. Ganking is not PVP. Ganking is the equivalent of beating up the elderly (namely, a victim that can't fight back). Removing killmails won't stop people from ganking, but it may alter the reasons that they gank.

Get rid of killmails, and bring make EVE more fun to play. Even though is my industry main, I do have PVP alts who have operated in low- and null-sec. Feel free to flame me for this, but it is my opinion, based in simple facts.

Fly safe.

Edit: I have no problem with tracking kill/lose ratios. The problem that I have is the level of effortless intel provided by killmails. If you want to know how my ship is fit, or what cargo I am hauling, fit a ship and cargo scanner. Oh wait, that would require that you actually fit something that isn't tank or gank, and apply some effort to gaining the intel you desire.

I'm going to assume that you've never actually been involved in any kind of PVP or have ever been in a corp with a PVP focus.

I'm assuming that because your level of ignorance is ******* astounding.

Not sure if dumb troll or ******...

Flame flame... uhh... flame.

Killmails are dumb in some ways, such as the whole "free intel" aspect. They are good in other ways though, like being able to confirm that you're doing a job in a merc contract, or even just showing off how big your PvP epeen is. Killmails as they are now are a very central part of the game, becoming in some aspects more important than the PvP they track in some cases.

OP is not crazy. Getting rid of KMs would remove a free intel tool that everyone in Eve takes for granted, and is not going to be a popular idea. It might turn out to be fun in the end, though.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you, but I just wanted to draw your attention to something.

You do realize that that you could've gotten flamed/trolled just as hard by going to any FPS forum and substituted KDR for KM and you wouldn't have exposed yourself to the inevitable hunting/ganking that will now happen to this character of yours.

Are you asking to get hammered everytime you undock? Cause it really seems like it.

Free Intel Aside - Killmails are important for corps to monitor activity levels. Any high-end guild in any other MMO keeps track of how often their players show up. Most keep parses of how well they actually perform. KM's also promote competitiveness within corps and alliances to be the best/most active/ whathaveyou.

Killmails aren't ruining the game, people that are afraid to learn how to PvP or are completely risk averse are ruining the game. Its PvP nobody started out amazing, everyone learned, everyone has a few wtf-fits in their losses. Trial and Error.
PvP should be fun, it should be challenging, and it should be (at times) rewarding, even if its just bragging rights.

Edited the OP to mention my difference of opinion regarding killmail versus K/D ratio.

If people wish to attempt to gank me whenever I undock, they are (and always have been) free to do so. That is part of the game, after all. However, just because this is an industry character does not mean that I am unwilling or unable to fight back. I simply choose my battles wisely, as any good tactician does. When I choose to fight, I make every effort to have as much intel about my enemy as possible. I also try to make sure that the conditions of the battle are in my favor.

Having studied warfare and conflict for the majority of my life, I have a very good grasp of both basic and advanced tactics and strategies as they apply to a wide variety of battlefields (land, sea, and aerospace).

Thank you for the reminder that there is a difference between K/D ratio and killmail intel.

Have fun and fly safe.

the very first alliance I have found, and joined, do not have any kind of quotas regarding killmails.

Point of Note: The corporation The Program (PGM) requires that you be on 3 killmails a month. I was a member of this corporation for some time, until I was forced to suspend my account (due to RL financial reasons) for a number of months.

Perhaps if you actually provided actual information to counter the points I made in the OP, instead of trolling, I may be more inclined to consider your opinion as valid.

Have fun and fly safe.

lol, thank you for the humor. At least in EVE, it is valid gameplay. Besides, stealing their walkers prevents them from making it to their car...