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CCP - Why do allow text to be altered when linking contracts for scam?

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ImYourMom
Retribution Holdings Corp
Retribution.
#1 - 2017-02-15 14:54:56 UTC  |  Edited by: ImYourMom
So i am curious a lot of the jita scams are about people linking bogus contracts but are allowed to change the link text to make it seem legit

Why ccp do you allow this? When actually stopping it would cut down the jita spam considerably. Im sorry but having that crap constantly spamming local just looks a bit tacky and makes the game look incredibly cheap, but i digress...
Wolfgang Jannesen
Scrapyard Artificer's
#2 - 2017-02-15 14:57:23 UTC
Scams are a part of EVE, Impromise you it's been that way since 2008. I don't know why the contracts work like that, but I strongly believe you should be able to make a couple isk off of an idiot so if they can make money scamming, they've got every right to con people. don't take contracts posted in local.
ImYourMom
Retribution Holdings Corp
Retribution.
#3 - 2017-02-15 15:03:01 UTC
Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:
Scams are a part of EVE, Impromise you it's been that way since 2008. I don't know why the contracts work like that, but I strongly believe you should be able to make a couple isk off of an idiot so if they can make money scamming, they've got every right to con people. don't take contracts posted in local.


I understand what your saying but i just find these type of scams just bring the level of the game down. Real scams and infiltration fine.
For example if a newbie that spent a lot of time earning his isk to get started, got scammed and then unsubbed? (because they are still new and well dont quite understand the game yet). Do you think the fact he got scammed was better than keeping him subscribed to CCP? if it is then ill have to question the business model.
Wolfgang Jannesen
Scrapyard Artificer's
#4 - 2017-02-15 15:09:21 UTC
I think it's not exactly subtle what happens when you roll into a trade hub. Also don't protect newbies, it's a game not a bad mortgage they can recover
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#5 - 2017-02-15 15:29:26 UTC
ImYourMom wrote:
So i am curious a lot of the jita scams are about people linking bogus contracts but are allowed to change the link text to make it seem legit

Why ccp do you allow this? When actually stopping it would cut down the jita spam considerably. Im sorry but having that crap constantly spamming local just looks a bit tacky and makes the game look incredibly cheap, but i digress...


Because it looks like the text is simply using html or xml tags and such. Because this is a pre-existing system, CCP used it without the need for modification or testing. It's like creating a hyperlink that shows a text of "Click Here" but links to www.CCP com. This is fairly standard stuff that has been tried and tested.

What you are asking for would require that the current system check the link, recognize the text string, and have a huge collection of of/then statements to police the list and stop contract scams.

As for why not change the base system... Because it used for linking just about everything. It's why when you link a ship fit, you only see the name of the ship, not the full xml of the fit.

So basically though what you are asking for may seem intuitively simple, from a game design/coding stand point, it isn't.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2017-02-15 15:31:38 UTC
The real interesting part of this "think of the children" thread is how it's apparently made by my mom.
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#7 - 2017-02-15 15:39:59 UTC
Basic rule for all contracts; Make the window fill the screen so you can see all the fields (especially important with BPOs and BPCs). Ready very carefully the 'you will get' and the 'you will pay' section as that is the only part that really matters. If you clicked the link from a local chat, it is a scam 99% of the time. If you see five contracts in a row? At least one of them is probably 1000 times more expensive than the 'good ones' in hopes you'll buy it too.

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2Sonas1Cup
#8 - 2017-02-15 15:52:23 UTC
Because this is eveonline, not pandasonline.
It's part of the game.

The fact that there's pandas in wow makes even less sense than the fact that you can rename contracts in eveonline.

#gobacktowow
Cade Windstalker
#9 - 2017-02-15 16:02:07 UTC
Fun fact, at one time you could change the actual text in the contract itself, and the UI display was much less friendly and easy to check.

Cheap Charon scam anyone? :D

For those not aware, back when you could alter more text on contracts a common scam was to post a sell contract for a "Cheap Charon" that contained 1 unit of Carbon for something close to a billion ISK. There was no icon for the item in the contract window, the contract title was player set not auto-generated, and people made billions doing this at a time when PLEX was about 300m a pop.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2017-02-15 16:11:21 UTC
2Sonas1Cup wrote:
Because this is eveonline, not pandasonline.
It's part of the game.

The fact that there's pandas in wow makes even less sense than the fact that you can rename contracts in eveonline.

#gobacktowow


Pandas were established into the lore back in warcraft 3. If you want to send people back to wow, try to at least have a clue WTF you are talking about.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#11 - 2017-02-15 16:24:31 UTC
99.9% of everything in Jita local is a scam. Just minimize your local window to the point where you can't see anything. Voila! No more local spam!

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

ImYourMom
Retribution Holdings Corp
Retribution.
#12 - 2017-02-15 16:42:35 UTC
2Sonas1Cup wrote:
Because this is eveonline, not pandasonline.
It's part of the game.

The fact that there's pandas in wow makes even less sense than the fact that you can rename contracts in eveonline.

#gobacktowow


i love these comments made by 12 year olds and epitemises the true meaning of troll
ImYourMom
Retribution Holdings Corp
Retribution.
#13 - 2017-02-15 16:47:43 UTC  |  Edited by: ImYourMom
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
99.9% of everything in Jita local is a scam. Just minimize your local window to the point where you can't see anything. Voila! No more local spam!


why the hell should anyone have to minimise local? ita a problem which imo be sorted. look i know you mean well and you may of noticed ive bee n around a while so i know the whole idea behind scamming and blocking and closing windows yada yada. but thats not the issue sort of albeit annoying.

the fact is ccp.can stop it easily bit dont so im just wondering why, because its easy to drag link lots of things now there is no need to inject html unless for scamming especially for contracts as mentioned you can drag link a contract
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#14 - 2017-02-15 17:05:36 UTC
ImYourMom wrote:
why the hell should anyone have to minimise local? ita a problem which imo be sorted. look i know you mean well and you may of noticed ive bee n around a while so i know the whole idea behind scamming and blocking and closing windows yada yada. but thats not the issue sort of albeit annoying.

the fact is ccp.can stop it easily bit dont so im just wondering why, because its easy to drag link lots of things now there is no need to inject html unless for scamming especially for contracts as mentioned you can drag link a contract

You can condense it so you have a compact player list (the most important feature) but completely hide and obscure any local text. So you get all the intelligence benefit with zero percent of the scams. What's not to like?

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Yarosara Ruil
#15 - 2017-02-15 17:20:05 UTC
I don't always sign contracts that jeopardize my wealth, but when I do, I make sure not to read the fine print.

No seriously, even if EVE is their first MMO they should know people can scam you in a trade. This happens almost every MMO, with only a few having limited safeguards to mitigate it.
Keno Skir
#16 - 2017-02-15 17:20:21 UTC
ImYourMom wrote:
2Sonas1Cup wrote:
Because this is eveonline, not pandasonline.
It's part of the game.

The fact that there's pandas in wow makes even less sense than the fact that you can rename contracts in eveonline.

#gobacktowow


i love these comments made by 12 year olds and epitemises the true meaning of troll


2Sonas is indeed a 12 year old troll. That said you're still a whiner, local chat will be busy in the busiest system in game, also scams are allowed which if you can add 1 + 1 should be starting to make sense.

Deal with it, since if there were no hilarious scams in local things would be just as boring as every other system Pirate
ImYourMom
Retribution Holdings Corp
Retribution.
#17 - 2017-02-15 22:54:26 UTC
Keno Skir wrote:
ImYourMom wrote:
2Sonas1Cup wrote:
Because this is eveonline, not pandasonline.
It's part of the game.

The fact that there's pandas in wow makes even less sense than the fact that you can rename contracts in eveonline.

#gobacktowow


i love these comments made by 12 year olds and epitemises the true meaning of troll


2Sonas is indeed a 12 year old troll. That said you're still a whiner, local chat will be busy in the busiest system in game, also scams are allowed which if you can add 1 + 1 should be starting to make sense.

Deal with it, since if there were no hilarious scams in local things would be just as boring as every other system Pirate


yep i gues one laugh in local is better than growing eve and retaining subs when onilne numbers are at an all time low. yep defo the way to go...more laughs please What?
Dark Lord Trump
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#18 - 2017-02-15 22:59:24 UTC
ImYourMom wrote:
Keno Skir wrote:
ImYourMom wrote:
2Sonas1Cup wrote:
Because this is eveonline, not pandasonline.
It's part of the game.

The fact that there's pandas in wow makes even less sense than the fact that you can rename contracts in eveonline.

#gobacktowow


i love these comments made by 12 year olds and epitemises the true meaning of troll


2Sonas is indeed a 12 year old troll. That said you're still a whiner, local chat will be busy in the busiest system in game, also scams are allowed which if you can add 1 + 1 should be starting to make sense.

Deal with it, since if there were no hilarious scams in local things would be just as boring as every other system Pirate


yep i gues one laugh in local is better than growing eve and retaining subs when onilne numbers are at an all time low. yep defo the way to go...more laughs please What?

Please provide your evidence that renaming contracts reduces subscriptions. I'd also like actual evidence, not "but what fi they get scammed and ragequit?"

I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!

Yebo Lakatosh
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2017-02-16 04:16:07 UTC
We either do our homework, or learn on our own expense. Sounds all right to me.

I kinda' like that buzz in local while I travel through civilized areas.

Elite F1 pilot since YC119, incarnate of honor, integrity and tidi.

Soloman Jackson
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2017-02-16 04:24:43 UTC
As long as people keep falling for scams, they will continue without a hitch. If nobody was biting, they wouldn't be spamming local.

“The cold stars spun to the ancient rhythm, the august march of an everlasting symphony. They are old, the stars, and their memory is long.” -Rick Yancey

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