Intergalactic Summit

Ignoring potential hazards and risks - especially ones with such massive potential for danger on large scales - is a tad foolhardy. Shouldn't be surprised people are looking for some answers to some very vital questions in this regard.

All of which could be solved with some actually decent bloody information being shared, with something even remotely close to consistency at that. Now we're treating infections with antidotes and we've already been through prions, viruses, bacteria at this point.

If this had been fiction, the plotholes would have had it boo'd off whatever venue or medium it came on. It's honestly weird to see how quickly people just blindly accept all the things that make no sense nor have even the slightest relationship with consistency.

Yes i agree that for such dire events, we should be getting a flood of reporting on a 24h basis from all media outlets. But we already know that ACN decided not to talk about the things happening, and The Scope is providing some information, but on broad strokes only.

I´m not disagreeing with you on that. I tried to present all the public data on the subject, but since i was not at the inquest, i can´t provide the finer details of backroom deals, fineprint on the resolutions and so on.

However, all in all we still have margin for optimism.

Simply scorching the earth and killing all the infected subjects makes room for that "one that escaped" and the cycle would start over with the weaponization of the kyonoke and very bad things happening in the near future, specially with the renewal of the major factions going for the throats of each other accusing everyone of "Not helping" and "Being responsible".

Sharing the intel is a good step, i just fail to understand how the hell such an important topic was dealth by the factions in a binary way, specially since the proposals weren´t mutually exclusive.

That intrigues me the most.

No, see, that's it, they're not being tested. They're being rushed out to the quarantine zones. That's not a controlled environment. That's not rigorous testing with proper safety measures in place. And if you think it is, how often do you support testing new, experimental munitions in childrens' classrooms?

Honestly, what is wrong with you people that you think this slipshod, improvisational approach to the lives of the apparently trillions of people in one city and four space stations isn't complete nonsense?

Between the outright elimination of all the people on the quarantine zones, and a rushed out "don´t know what will happen but they´re all secured in one location so if somehitng happen on the long term we´ll know", i go for option 2.

I´m not seeing as a cure, i´m seeing this as a controled experiment where we have all the elements to analyze on the long run the results.

And this means keeping the people in quarantine until we get the results from the tests.

Better than going Ammar trials on them.

Really? You think they're going to be secured in their locations over the long term? I'm willing to bet the capsuleers in that Keepstar won't even be there a month.



And it's not a controlled experiment. No, you do not have 'all the elements to analyze on the long run'. Isolate every single environmental factor in a city. Go on. Do it. Adults. Children. Seniors. People at every single stage of hormonal development.

That's not a controlled environment. It's not even close.



Again: You won't see the capsuleers in that Keepstar there for even a month. Most of them will jumpclone out via medbay, which means they'll be flash-copying over their neurology, which we know from statements made in here can be distorted and altered by the "antidote" as well as by the initial disease.

So, yeah, controlled conditions? This isn't even 'weapons control means hitting your target' levels of control here.

Leave it to the Minmatar to find something to complain about when things go better than expected.

That said, I believe it is within the realm of reason to assume the application of the cure will be done in a way that would prevent further outbreaks. The most important work to be done now is to find out how and why this weaponized strain was made and dispersed.

They're neighbors. As in, not in a distant way; the mining platform's kind of right there. I can look out half the windows and see it, without any magnification needed. After H4 declared a lockdown, I kinda think the security cordon started treating the two as one single zone. Traveling from one to the other is basically a matter of getting out an airlock in a space suit and pushing off in the right direction, and even easier with a grappling rig and/or jet pack.

Actually, getting to H4-RP4 from the mining platform, it'd be hard to miss. The main trick would be finding a way inside before your air ran out.



Conjecture's fun, though! And sometimes pretty useful.

It's just maybe a little important to remember that that's what you're doing, and (I guess, in my case) communicate it clearly.

And yet, they did it. Again: you are not helping the case that rigorous safety and security procedures are being maintained.

I think I'm more making the case that full trials (especially since you seem to want 50 years) are themselves impractical and/or unethical in the context of an ongoing plague crisis.

"Rigorous safety and security procedures" are great when you've got time. It's not clear that we did, or do.

You do have a point about the possibility of resurgent plague, though.

Hm.

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OH! One nifty thing we found out: it's now possible to scan for the plague, given a specially-adjusted scanner. It doesn't detect infection during its incubation period, but it picks it up in a sick person really well and can also pick up contamination in the environment. (I don't know whether it would catch a single isolated speck.)

One really disturbing thing: our clonejacking, plague-spreading, researcher-murdering saboteur had a mark on the back of his hand, a triangle, etched in infection. I was about two meters away when they caught him; the scan turned it up plainly. I've been wondering what that was.

That's the point. That's why long-term testing and observation is needed. And yes, if there is no other other choice for full-containment, those people were assumed dead the moment the quarantine zone went up. You cannot rush this. You cannot ever say 'we don't have time to do this right' because doing it wrong can make things worse. Does it guarantee things will go wrong? No, of course not. You might get lucky and everything's fine. I hope to every heaven humanity has ever believed in that we get lucky.

But if we get unlucky, then the very nature of what we're dealing with here means that a)the fallout will be worse, b)it will be harder to contain, c)there's going to be a huge lag-time just figuring out that 0410 is the problem because nobody know what the side-effects are, during which, the new crisis will be getting worse, and 0410 will be continuing to be spread and sold all over the cluster.

What is the acceptable risk profile for that? What are the 'acceptable' odds? What percent chance is 'ok' to risk people going on with their lives, resuming travel, and spending six months as carriers, infecting people with dormant Kyonoke wherever they go, only to have it all explode at once? Give me a number that you think is an ok chance to take in order to avoid six to eighteen months of rigorous testing. Not even talking about the multiple-decades of testing that a self-replicating nanovirus would reasonably require, because I'm really hoping this isn't that, but is rather something more conventional.

Eighteen months of research on test subjects before field testing. Give me the percent chance of trillions of deaths that you think is too low to warrant that level of caution.