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[Kyonoke] Contagion Tracking, Containment, Planning

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Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#201 - 2017-03-13 04:22:09 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
No sensible person would ask for others to be sent in to die, as well.

But those inside the dome?

Their deaths must be given some meaning, at least for the sake of the citizenry at large.

Simply said, write-offs should remain in the realm of accounting, not the realm of right action.


Can supply drops penetrate nanoshield domes?

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#202 - 2017-03-13 04:28:29 UTC
My assumption is, "not without risk."

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Yuwei Sung
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#203 - 2017-03-13 05:57:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Yuwei Sung
It's quite remarkable how willingly the Caldari are relenting the moral high ground and control of public opinion to the Federation, even at their own expense. People over here have no problem believing the idea that the State's leaders would be cold-hearted enough to write off the entire cities population as if they were just dysfunctional tools, but as Ms. Priano suggests, it's hard not attempting any communication with those within the quarantined zone as anything other than poor PR. Rather then cruel or pragmatic, it just appears stupid.

I'd have to guess there's something going on inside they'd rather never sees the light of day. But who knows? Maybe they're afraid it can spread by fluid router, too. It wouldn't break many more rules than the pathogen already does.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#204 - 2017-03-13 06:39:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Makoto Priano wrote:
My assumption is, "not without risk."


From what I understand about Nanoshield domes, it's more or less starship-grade shield impregnated with high concentrations of nano-disassemblers, suspended inside the plasma 'wall' by the electromagnetic field generated to maintain the shield. Nothing short of an orbital bombardment will punch through that, from the looks of it.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#205 - 2017-03-13 06:58:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
Yuwei Sung wrote:
It's quite remarkable how willingly the Caldari are relenting the moral high ground and control of public opinion to the Federation, even at their own expense. People over here have no problem believing the idea that the State's leaders would be cold-hearted enough to write off the entire cities population as if they were just dysfunctional tools, but as Ms. Priano suggests, it's hard not attempting any communication with those within the quarantined zone as anything other than poor PR. Rather then cruel or pragmatic, it just appears stupid.

I'd have to guess there's something going on inside they'd rather never sees the light of day. But who knows? Maybe they're afraid it can spread by fluid router, too. It wouldn't break many more rules than the pathogen already does.


The State's actually pretty hostile to the idea that it needs to care what outsiders think. Public opinion in the Federation is worth less than nothing to Patriot leaders in particular. They see nothing there that any Caldari should ever listen to.

Internal public opinion's another matter. Recent history's a bit of a reminder: the elite serve the Caldari as a whole or become expendable. The megas ignore internal popular sentiment at their peril, so, yeah. It seems like that they're concerned about some effect more communication and transparency might have.

(Have Federal officials been allowing comms into and out of their own quarantine zone?)
Yuwei Sung
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#206 - 2017-03-13 07:45:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Yuwei Sung
Aria Jenneth wrote:
The State's actually pretty hostile to the idea that it needs to care what outsiders think. Public opinion in the Federation is worth less than nothing to Patriot leaders in particular. They see nothing there that any Caldari should ever listen to.

Internal public opinion's another matter. Recent history's a bit of a reminder: the elite serve the Caldari as a whole or become expendable. The megas ignore internal popular sentiment at their peril, so, yeah. It seems like that they're concerned about some effect more communication and transparency might have.


Oh, I'm aware of that. I suppose I was mentioning how it will be perceived in the Federation to contrast with the more tenuous matter of internal opinion. That is, people will leap at any reason to call the Caldari barbarians here, but if it's having such an effect even within the State, then making such an error is remarkable. Which led to my speculation on why they're taking it on the chin.

Aria Jenneth wrote:
(Have Federal officials been allowing comms into and out of their own quarantine zone?)


I think you have the wrong idea of me, Ms. Jenneth. I'm perfectly aware of the hypocrisy.

But the Senate and the press are managing the crisis very well. No ones even talking about the one over here in either country. Don't you think?
Alia Nadasdy
Imperial's Capsulers
#207 - 2017-03-13 08:21:57 UTC
Nothing new.
Just repetition Yoiul Conference which was held in AD AD 23236 The meeting took place on the Jovian cruiser Yoiul.
Deja Vu Roll

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"We are a shadow of the former greatness of the Empire"

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Jev North
Doomheim
#208 - 2017-03-13 10:32:55 UTC
Yuwei Sung wrote:
But the Senate and the press are managing the crisis very well. No ones even talking about the one over here in either country. Don't you think?

Well, with minor rearrangements, I do -- I'd say the Senate is managing the press pretty well, and the crisis just fell out of the sentence entirely.

Even though our love is cruel; even though our stars are crossed.

Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#209 - 2017-03-13 11:32:57 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
It's chilling that even when the report says "protesters", everyone immediately starts assuming "rioters". These are not the same thing in any reasonable society.


In any righteous and holy civilization, governed as all such societies are by hereditary absolute theocracy, "protest" does in fact mean "riot" and all rioters are subject to immediate, on the spot summary execution.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#210 - 2017-03-13 16:26:47 UTC
Yuwei Sung wrote:
Aria Jenneth wrote:
The State's actually pretty hostile to the idea that it needs to care what outsiders think. Public opinion in the Federation is worth less than nothing to Patriot leaders in particular. They see nothing there that any Caldari should ever listen to.

Internal public opinion's another matter. Recent history's a bit of a reminder: the elite serve the Caldari as a whole or become expendable. The megas ignore internal popular sentiment at their peril, so, yeah. It seems like that they're concerned about some effect more communication and transparency might have.


Oh, I'm aware of that. I suppose I was mentioning how it will be perceived in the Federation to contrast with the more tenuous matter of internal opinion. That is, people will leap at any reason to call the Caldari barbarians here, but if it's having such an effect even within the State, then making such an error is remarkable. Which led to my speculation on why they're taking it on the chin.


It's only really an error if you care about the effect. It's hard for the State to control what the Scope publishes, and easier to paint it as a tool of Gallentean propaganda (which, to be fair, it seems a little bit to be), best ignored by right-thinking Caldari. That video was the kind of thing it's a little hard to "manage" effectively without just plain caving in, though.

They definitely need better spokesmedia. NOH is infamous even in the State. People might buy products from the Practicals, but no sane person trusts them. Maybe Ishukone and KK could get deeper into the news business and leave NOH its holodramas?

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Aria Jenneth wrote:
(Have Federal officials been allowing comms into and out of their own quarantine zone?)


I think you have the wrong idea of me, Ms. Jenneth. I'm perfectly aware of the hypocrisy.

But the Senate and the press are managing the crisis very well. No ones even talking about the one over here in either country. Don't you think?


Maybe. They've been lucky in that no similar viral (no pun intended) bombshell from within the Federal quarantine zone has been forthcoming. Caldari generally are very trusting of authority and slow to challenge it. Imagine the effect a similar level of outrage would have in the Federation.

Also, I kind of think it's you who might have the wrong idea of me, Ms. Sung. I'm not looking at you as a propagandist or strong partisan, though of course you'd function with an inevitably Federal perspective. I'm culturally an Achur, sure, but this isn't really my fight. I'm more interested in understanding politics than messing about with them.

It wasn't a rhetorical question. I was asking because I wasn't completely sure. I'm not actually all that fond of the State to begin with.
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#211 - 2017-03-13 18:29:12 UTC
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#212 - 2017-03-13 19:11:44 UTC


On the corporate level, yeah, I guess so. I wonder if they're letting people talk to their families. If so, I'd expect some kind of horrifying images to be getting out.

I'd be maybe a little impressed, though.
Slayer Liberator
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#213 - 2017-03-15 03:43:30 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Privation can lead to some unpleasant consequences, Lord Newelle.

Honestly, the best thing the Peacekeepers in Myrskaa can do is keep themselves safe, and ideally uninfected.

If the rumors about the Peacekeepers using Cloned Soldiers to secure the quarantine zone are true, you should be more worried about one of the Cloned Soldiers getting in a bad mood and killing any remaining survivors they come across or accidentally destroying something important I have had to deal with both so I know it can happen if the Peacekeepers don't take the proper precautions. However, I know how helpful they can be.
TomHorn
Horn Brothers Holdings Inc.
#214 - 2017-03-15 03:56:05 UTC
Chaos has erupted , during the Caldari - Gallente summit .The executives of the Mega's , have walked out of Chief Executive Panel talks with the Federal government.

Aridia Mnesia
House Mnesia
#215 - 2017-03-15 10:11:14 UTC
Hm. It seems that things are getting quite interesting indeed.

Penumbral mages wander in the furthest of depths

Skyweir Kinnison
Doomheim
#216 - 2017-03-15 11:53:36 UTC
Quote:
Executives from Kaalakiota, Sukuuvestaa and CBD have walked out of Chief Executive Panel talks with the Federal government, after audio recordings were leaked in which a number of Gallente Senators criticised the ethics of forcing protestors in the State back to work.


Last time I saw a flounce of that magnitude, it was at the opening of the Revue Bijou when La Divine had a meltdown because his frock had mother-of-pearl sequins instead of pearlescent.

Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#217 - 2017-03-15 19:55:00 UTC
Ugh. More empty words and overweening pride. I hesitated nearly a day on adding that to the mix, and do so now only because of the brief mention of an on-going FIO investigation into Kasaras.

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Graelyn
Aeternus Command Academy
#218 - 2017-03-16 11:44:42 UTC
Good to see the State and Fed both have their eyes on the ball.

*rolls eyes*

Cardinal Graelyn

Amarr Loyalist of the Year - YC113

Jev North
Doomheim
#219 - 2017-03-16 11:47:32 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
I hesitated nearly a day on adding that to the mix, and do so now only because of the brief mention of an on-going FIO investigation into Kasaras.

Yes, that lede is a few feet in the ground there. Funny, that. Also, consider that "walked out [some unspecified time] after" isn't quite the same phrase as "walked out because."

Even though our love is cruel; even though our stars are crossed.

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#220 - 2017-03-16 15:48:10 UTC
What vexes me most about it is this.

The senators were recorded speaking in private, and winds know we've all said impolite things about others in private. This is no surprise. Instead, it's a leak from someone (Blaque? Ishanoya? Oiritsuu?) who knew the Caldari delegation was looking for an excuse to leave, having hopefully placated shareholders by attending a summit in the first place, however briefly.

Sigh.

Well, while politicians and CEOs are grandstanding, life carries on.

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