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PBM player build moon

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Van Doe
#1 - 2017-02-13 16:48:17 UTC
How about building something even bigger than a titan.

Wondering what ideas you could come up with to make a stationary maybe semi stationary object likes player build moon useful.
I could imagine it could do all things a citadel could and better and could have a lot firepower.

It should not interfere with sov. So it could cut off from supply routs.
So it could most efficiently take down by a sigeing the system this would be in.
Alternative bring it down by firepower.
Something like a eve death star.

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mkint
#2 - 2017-02-13 16:52:42 UTC
y?

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Cade Windstalker
#3 - 2017-02-13 17:42:13 UTC
Pretty sure the equivalent to the Eve Deathstar is a Keepstar, because people in the Eve Universe are good enough at miniaturization that we don't need a whole moon around our doom weapons, and we don't feel the need to blow up perfectly good planets to show off. Lol

Also this is the volume of Earth's moon in m3: 21,900,000,000,000,000,000

building something like that is ridiculously not practical.
Van Doe
#4 - 2017-02-13 18:32:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Van Doe
Not sure about eve players not willing to blow things up only to show off.

If this moon is powerful enough it could lead to enormous fight over weaks and even month.
Since this structure would manifest your home system. And couldn't withstand a singe for quite long.
And of course the build should be ridicules im time and and cost.
You want some high end home base pay for it. If you lose it see 1000 plex going down the drain.

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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2017-02-13 18:32:46 UTC
Keepstar.

or a palatine keepstar if that's not good enough for you.
Van Doe
#6 - 2017-02-13 18:36:15 UTC
Bigger=better.
My girlfriend told me this.

Also I did downscale already my first thought was planet size

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elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#7 - 2017-02-13 18:36:44 UTC
Cade Windstalker wrote:
Pretty sure the equivalent to the Eve Deathstar is a Keepstar, because people in the Eve Universe are good enough at miniaturization that we don't need a whole moon around our doom weapons, and we don't feel the need to blow up perfectly good planets to show off. Lol

Also this is the volume of Earth's moon in m3: 21,900,000,000,000,000,000

building something like that is ridiculously not practical.


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Safety. Net
#8 - 2017-02-13 18:43:42 UTC
Van Doe wrote:
I could imagine it could do all things a citadel could and better and could have a lot firepower.


like what? you proposed the idea so whats your thoughts?

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Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2017-02-13 18:46:02 UTC
Van Doe wrote:
Bigger=better.
My girlfriend told me this.

Also I did downscale already my first thought was planet size


And exactly what do you propose it do that a keepstar, at a mere 160km tall, doesn't already do?
Van Doe
#10 - 2017-02-13 18:52:54 UTC
Make moons the only place you could build titans anf make them dockable.
Many some defensive structures that fit in the moons orbit and share the power cpu cap and fule consumption.
Ech structure in orbit requires a player to be active

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Van Doe
#11 - 2017-02-13 19:08:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Van Doe
Also I would be ok with building planets and moons to do pi and mm

Take away things that are given by the game and let the community build it.

So you could build ice lava whatever planets.

Make them destructible and leftovers mineable like asteroid belts.

This would bring some dynamic into the appearance of solar systems.

Shooting at a planet or moon in highsec = concord

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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#12 - 2017-02-13 19:41:59 UTC
But. Why. Would. You. Bother?
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#13 - 2017-02-13 20:08:36 UTC
doesnt sound very fun tbh Sad

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Cade Windstalker
#14 - 2017-02-13 20:34:00 UTC
Let me clarify for the benefit of OP. To build something the volume of a moon you would need 18.25 *trillion* Charon loads of material.

Someone would have to check with Red Frog or CCP but I'm pretty sure that's more trips than have ever been made by Freighter in the Eve universe to this date given that it would take 10,000 players at 2 hours per trip 416 THOUSAND YEARS to transport that much material.

OP, your idea is ridiculous and adds nothing of value. It doesn't even add a ridiculous but semi-realistic long term target to shoot for, it's just complete and utter ridiculousness.
Van Doe
#15 - 2017-02-13 22:05:36 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
doesnt sound very fun tbh Sad

Mining don't sound fun to.
But people do it because
1.they need the material
2. Profit
3.for some it is actually fun
4. Sandbox game
5. Everting in eve should be created and build by players.

This would bring eve a step forward to make it self sustainable.

Means no players no universe.



And don't ***** around the realism of mass.
Ccp could easily balance this out.

Did it ever came into your bright bright brain that it could be balanced so it is not
Build.time 4k years or not at all?

How can you sleep at night with the knowledge a titan would realistically hade a build time of centurys?

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Cade Windstalker
#16 - 2017-02-13 23:48:48 UTC
Van Doe wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
doesnt sound very fun tbh Sad

Mining don't sound fun to.
But people do it because
1.they need the material
2. Profit
3.for some it is actually fun
4. Sandbox game
5. Everting in eve should be created and build by players.

This would bring eve a step forward to make it self sustainable.

Means no players no universe.



And don't ***** around the realism of mass.
Ccp could easily balance this out.

Did it ever came into your bright bright brain that it could be balanced so it is not
Build.time 4k years or not at all?

How can you sleep at night with the knowledge a titan would realistically hade a build time of centurys?


Actually some people do find mining and industry fun.

Some people find it relaxing.
Some people just enjoy building things themselves.
Some people just want to fly a spaceship but don't want the faster pace required of shooting things.

There are lots of reasons people might enjoy mining, even if you're not one of those people.

There is no reason I can imagine that someone might enjoy the idea of a moon you couldn't build in several lifetimes of gameplay.

Also you're making a lot of claims there with no support, like about how any of this would be good gameplay or fills any sort of niche. We already have the Keepstar and the Palatine above that as high-end achievable. Your idea here doesn't offer anything those don't already offer.

"Because why not" is not ever a reason to spend dev time on something.

Also you just literally said "realistic" and "Titan" in the same sentence. Wut.
Van Doe
#17 - 2017-02-14 09:07:05 UTC
Did you fell on your head right after birth?

What did I say under point 3. ?

Eve in easy for you.

Gather resources build things to gather more/better/other resources (deficiently)
Make things go boom you have build and collect the scrap to build things to go boom.

With moons and planets in player control you add another layer.

This would bring fight over resources.
Like jump in enemy space nuke moons.
So they can't moon mining anymore until they build a new one.
Same goes for planets.

Bookmarks could get outdated if planets fall and rise.

So you could capture a system and make sure the bookmarks your enemy hase are almost useles.

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Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#18 - 2017-02-14 09:27:18 UTC
Van Doe wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
doesnt sound very fun tbh Sad

Mining don't sound fun to.
But people do it because
1.they need the material
2. Profit
3.for some it is actually fun
4. Sandbox game
5. Everting in eve should be created and build by players.

This would bring eve a step forward to make it self sustainable.

Means no players no universe.



And don't ***** around the realism of mass.
Ccp could easily balance this out.

Did it ever came into your bright bright brain that it could be balanced so it is not
Build.time 4k years or not at all?

How can you sleep at night with the knowledge a titan would realistically hade a build time of centurys?


shut up and stop getting aggressive

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Wolfgang Jannesen
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2017-02-14 13:44:50 UTC
I can't see any reason to make a planet sized structure. You can already produce Titans with the Keepstar, you can do pretty well everything a moon can do with the Keepstar aside from planet sized lasers that won't exist in EVE anyway
Cade Windstalker
#20 - 2017-02-14 14:13:09 UTC
"But it would add another layer!" isn't a reason for anything. Heck, "it would add more X" isn't a reason for anything, you need a more compelling reason than that. What niche does it fill that isn't being met, in this specific case what does this offer that a Keepstar doesn't already? What is this going to drive besides "look, another big thing!"

Also the idea that you would build a moon and then mine it for stuff that you didn't put into it makes literally no sense. The idea with PI and Moon Mining is that these are resources found on the moons/planets. If you built one you would have to put that stuff there.

Also the ability to blow up moons would make a wreck of the Eve economy in pretty short order, which would make many ships and modules inaccessible, which would be generally bad for the game.

Also bookmarks aren't done in relation to a planet, most bookmarks are around gates and stations.

Also if you're now talking about blowing up or changing existing planets your idea becomes basically technically infeasible. Planets, moons, and other celestials aren't coded dynamically, they're static data in the database and aren't designed to be ever changed, that's why planets and moons don't orbit. CCP would have to rework a ton of very very baseline code to make this work.
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