Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Just thought I would throw this out there.

I would prefer if you did not lose sec status for pvp in low sec.

Reasons:
Low sec offers a unique pvp experience that should be fostered not discouraged.

The fear of losing sec status really isn't sufficient to deter most people who would be inclined to kill pvers anyway. So nothing is really lost for pvers.

edit: oh and many people in low sec have neutral alts doing scouting and stuff like that. So even though you know they are the enemy killing them ruins your sec status. Ruined sec status then causes many other problems like faction standings losses for those who rep you even if they are in your militia. There are other problems as well.


The rest would of low sec would stay the same.

Specifically we would still have no bubbles and we would still have gate/station guns.

No bubbles and gate guns = fewer gate camps and an easier time getting around in smaller ships than in null sec.

So I'm not saying change gate/station guns (although 15 minutes is pretty long 5 minutes would be better but that is not part of this proposal.)

You would still lose sec status for suicide ganks in high sec.

Welcome to EVE. Must be your first time
/sarcasm

Its called consequences to your actions. You can let people go, you don't have to shoot them. You don't have to shoot their pods full of gooey delicious implants. But if you do! Opps! Yeah, that thing you find annoying it to prevent chaos. Like you found out, there is a limit to how much you will do something until you don't like it....otherwise you have a crappy FPS fragging everyone in sight and the thing about EVE is the cost is to much for someone to continue paying their monthly sub if they can't undock only to be lite up like new year's eve fireworks (aka, you can't do all you want and not let someone else do their thing so that minor inconvience of sec status is to put a damper on your fun). Some people go all out to neg 10 (and I wish it went lower with more harsh consequences ), some like you hit a limit which you find to be kick in the nuts...that wow! This is harsh.

Yeah, neutral alt scouts really are annoying when at war aren't they



Depends on what that goal actually is. Loss of sec brings with it an increased difficulty in moving around high sec (barring a few clever tactics) thereby "locking" the more aggressive players into an area of space that carries a large"Here be Dragons!!" warning before you jump in. If continued aggression carried no penalty in low sec it would be a lot easier for low sec PvP'ers to jump into highsec for a little ganking without the risks that currently apply. Not to mention taking advantage of the ISK available in high sec (incursions) without first having to work off the penalty for all the innocent blood they spilt.

On the other hand, having just ratted up my sec from about -9.8, I'll admit to being no great fan of sec hits. But it was my choice to go there in the first place. It really depends which is the more important scenario...Allowing for the unrestricted killing of WT alts without penalty, or making those who follow the Piratical profession pay a price for their sins.

I'm torn tbh. But I'd sway towards letting it stand as-is for now, or at worst lowering the sec hit a little for ship kills and upping it for pods.

Most kills in low sec are not based on someone who wants to pvp, but on someone who takes those shorter routes via low sec when traveling. If you want to pvp without sec status hits, I can tell you null is "this way". Have fun with there. But be careful, the police there is not as kind as concord is, and the sec hits there can be more harsh.

However, just because the person was PvP fit does not necessarily mean they were interested in shooting you. Perhaps they were after WT's? You get penalized for interrupting him/ her. That's the point really, unless your PvP is arranged you can never be 100% certain that person was interested in fighting you unless they shoot first, and at that point they don't know you are interested in fighting them....and so on.



Sec hit is not a deterrent to those who don't care, but it can be a deterrent to those who do. At times I've had to be careful about my sec for various reasons and subsequently been a lot more discriminating as to target selection.
My sec is destroyed when I run tackle for camps, I'll point anything I can lock if asked to do so, PvP'er or not. The payoff is a crappy sec which then allows anyone who feels like it to shoot me with impunity, no gate-guns/ sec hit themselves.
Again, that's the point. Sure It'd be nice to gank with impunity myself, but not what I'd consider all that justifiable. GF's are nice, but at a pinch I'll shoot anything, and it would be fair to say that most of my low-sec kills are not against PvP'ers or pirates.
Should I really get away with this at no cost?

Also fair to say that sec hits are far more of an annoyance than gate guns, my devoter perma-tanks gate guns to maximise my time on-station. The only thing getting me off the gate is if someone comes to bust the camp....and if I'm flashy red due to sec hits, bonus for them.



I don't. Camps can net a lot of kills in a short time on a busy pipe. Low sec GF's exist for sure, but I'd bet that ganks are far more common in low sec.

There are of course more ganks than gfs. This is true *everywhere* in eve. Lots of fights I am involved in end with one side or the other getting ganked. But that doesn't mean I or the majority of those I killed were just trying to get from one part of high sec to another.

The thing is in low sec has mechanics that could promote finding more good fights than null or whs. (gate guns and no bubbles) So why discourage the gfs?

This post is a good demonstration of 3 elements of a bad post. 1) It assumes I said things I never said (I never said pvpers give a "rats flying hoot" if a person is defensless) 2) it demonstrates very little understanding of the issue suggesting that the person didn't even read the post and 3) it trys to compare eve to real life.

We pirates that live in low sec actually wear the -10 badge with pride. I don't want this change. Anyone with -5 and below can be shot any time anywhere without consequence and we accept this fact.

Which begs the question, why do you really want this change? You obviously don't live in low sec as a pirate, if indeed you live in low sec at all.

Yes I think they do this to some extent already, but not really enough. I would welcome something even further. For example in .4 systems the sec hit stays the same. Most of the people who camp the high sec gates waiting for carebears are doing that in these systems anyway. But no sec status hit for .3 or below. That would be a good compromise.

You seriously have some big hold up because you look at your -10 as some sort of badge? Please. But whatever, if you don't want to gank in high sec or steal from cans etc. what about the .4 systems stay the same.

Again you are all pirates. Should pvp in low sec be limitted to people who want to be -10?

I'm not saying neutrals won't be used but why be penalized for killing people you know are just alts for your wartagets? That is lame for anyone other than people who are proud to have a negative sec status.

Many accept the gcc penalty but really pretty few. 92% of eve players decide to play elsewhere. Even if we don't include high sec 4xs as many prefer null sec.

I'm not sure how this is a buff to fw as opposed to a buff to all of low sec.

Anyway I asked what good sec status hits bring for low sec and the only answer you came up with is "-10 is my cool kid badge."

I'm really not sure how serious you are about that. Are there any other good reasons to deter pvp in low sec through sec status hits?