Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Imprudence.

Great point.



Agreed. Duplicate thread that has been discussed to death.

CONCORD doesn't protect, CONCORD punish.


Logging off was a bad idea, that's a pod killer. You do realize that setting your ship - any ship - on Autopilot is a risk multiplier.

Well, you paid for your imprudence and/or laziness.

It is, when you put some effort in to your game play.

Mechanically highsec is safer than the other types of space in New Eden due to the penalties imposed for unsanctioned aggression there, which are more than adequate at deterring the vast majority of highsec players from instigating it. If you wish to deter those that accept those penalties as a cost then you need to put some effort in, just as they do.

Before I even started playing I actually read about EVE, and about pvp and Hisec ganking.

When I actually started playing, I was actually terrified of ganking and losing my ships/pods, ISKless that I was and every other player ship looked like a threat to me, especially since I didn't actually grasp exactly what was suicide ganking yet.

I adored that feeling of insecurity. And still do.

A suicide gank like that is already site a huge loss of isk that it's tough to feel bad about, that's a lot of effort to not just set up in lowsec with that many pilots. Are you sure you're not exaggerating by a lot?

There is no need for that. If you want to engage gankers, you already can and killing their ships increase the cost of ganks since they have to account for lost DPS if you manage to burn one or more of them. They can adapt by adding more man power to their gank fleet but so can you in your anti gank fleet. The "problem" is always the same, too few people are actually willing to do the "hard" work of trying something. Catalyst aren't exactly tanky so burning them down is not super hard.

no, soem ppl think its unbalanced when ganker can kill 50+ with ship that costs oen and you just cant effectively punish him for that even if you had all time for that ... because one gank can feed ganker with another 20+ ships ... and if he sees you want to kill him he can just dock and you cant do anything about it ... gl trying to kill one ganker 50 times to make it worth not to mention how many of them is there

Yeaaaaaaah.... about that....

That isn't just a High-sec thing... that is a gamewide thing.

If 50 frigates descend on a solo capital ship, then the captial ship is going to die.

If 50 battleships attack a solo Titan, the Titan is going to die.


Bigger or more expensive, it doesn't matter. If you are outnumbered and do not have a plan, you WILL die regardless of whatever ship you are in.


And if you think that, "I can punish people for attacking me outside of high-sec, so that sort of thing is okay" then you need to go out and live outside of high-sec.

More often than not, you need to track down the people who attacked you, find out where they live, what they do, how they do it, if they have any assets, and if you have a reasonable chance of even being able to anything at all.

Your success in getting revenge is not guaranteed.
Avoiding danger is not gauranteed.

Likewise, success for the ganker is not gauranteed.
Being able to get the loot is not gauranteed.
Selling the loot at a reasonable price is not guaranteed.

But the gankers know and understand the mechanics. And they team up with each other to stack the odds in their favor.

Why should any one person be given immunity from dozens of people who know more, plan more, and operate together?


And no... high-sec is NOT MEANT TO BE SAFE.
At all.

Even the DEVs have said this.

Each gank in high sec cost at least one ship and often more. You can also prevent gank in many way that have been, in most case, repeated a few hundred time on these very boards. The "problem" come from the people getting ganked who seem to absolutely refuse to even try defending himself in way of similar effort as the gankers go through.

Gankers assemble fleets to do their job while also organizing a "network" of alt to scan ship for potential lucrative marks and bumpers. This, in the grand scheme of things, if replicated by the target, would represent a few logi around you and scouts to spot the bumpers in advance. For every time someone said logi didn't work in gank, there has been 0 person to ever effectively try to equate the manpower/cost of the gank fleet in rep fleet. Nobody ever tried how effective 5 Osprey + 5 Augoror perform against 15 catalyst.

If you don't want to go the rep way, you have the gun way. Instead of fitting 10 logi cruisers to follow your freighter around, go with 5 Oracles and lock any ganker coming. If they are already flashy red from low sec status, shhot away. If they are not, wait for the first shot and then shoot away. At this point look at how many extra Catalyst they need since you surely will burn some down before the freighter die or CONCORD arrive on site and finish the job for you.

If this is all too much effort because you feel you should not need a fleet to counter another fleet (WTF???!?!?!?!), then go the 1 alt options. A single webber will render your freighter extremely hard to catch of you web it into warp.

If this is also too hard, then there is the final way. The money way. This one is often overlooked but I don't really know why. Seem to be an attachment many players have to being proud of doing things themselves. Well, if you allow yourself to walk a bit over your ego, you can pay someone to move your stuff for you. It even come with arrangement to insure your stuff while it is not in your hands in case of theft or piracy preventing it from reaching it's destination. Some people have gotten really good at moving stuff so hiring them for it is an available solution.