Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Anyone else getting tired of the disparity between the fits?
When some weak mined individual comes along and wants to attack you, the only option is to warp away if you can. As a group, they can warp out any time they like if they are in trouble, so they will take you down.

My suggestion is that we have two fits per ship and I know it doesn't make much sense in terms of story but at least when you get attacked, you can hit the emergency button and fight back a bit. You would drop more loot but at least you might take one of them down with you.

Obviously there would need to be some penalties for this, such as maybe you can't switch back for an hour or you have to go back to a station and take everything off again. Maybe it destroys your PVE rigs too?

All I want is the opportunity to fight back instead of being slaughtered or having to run away.

Ever tried doing Sleepers in a PVP ship?

3 ships running sleepers
1 fits point
1 fits web
1 fits ______ ecm/painter/moar web

if you're running sleepers solo and yet still want the option to have an emergency pvp fit switch button, you've missed part of the game's core concept.

I don't like the disparity between PvP and PvE ship setups. A combat ship should be a combat ship. But I think the main problem is the disparity between PvP and PvE playstyles. If you want PvE and PvP ship setups to be similar then you have to make a flavour of PvE that is more like PvP.

In PvE you've got hoards of stupid and pathetically weak enemies filing into your guns for you. You know what you're going to be up against, there's the eve-survival website which documents in great detail every possible PvE situation and what you need to fit to deal with it, because they're all predetermined and predictable. So you set up your cap-stable officer fit golem with the hardeners you need to deal with the rats you know you'll be facing, and you undock.

it's really pathetic to even call PvE in this game combat, I'd rather reclassify ratting as a form of mining.

Then there's PvP, where you are facing an unknown enemy, committed (tackled) in a situation that can rapidly change, and you're going to need to use good judgement, skill, and 100% of your (replacable) ship's resources to come out on top.

Instead of sending the player to singlehandedly destroy a pirate deadspace superfortress and invasion fleet consisting of utterly pathetic enemies, send them into feasible situations that might actually arise in PvP. "A pirate has been spotted in this system, go find him and kill him, he's in a cruiser" then you get there and you have a fight with an NPC that is as close to player strength as possible... or you get hotdropped by NPC stealth bombers and get completely ****** up, which to be fair can happen.

Aggressive sleeper/incursion AI is a step in the right direction, but it's still not enough to fix the differences between PvP and PvE setups.

Your idea is creative but I'm doubt it would help much.

I think you would find people using 2 pvp fits. One pvp fit and one gtfo fit when things go bad.

The other problem is you would still have all the npcs doing damage to you. So even if you switch out to a fit that for example is not tanked for their damage you are still screwed.

Pve and pvp just do not mix in this game. CCP has tried to force this mix several times and everytime it fails. We should just accept this.

I think the idea of two fits in one is terrible.

I would not be against some other ideas of making NPCs more like players so that a PvP ship isn't really different from a PvE one in most cases. AI should change in strategy, and choices... Run away when their losing for instance. It's also always bothered me in particular that Pirate NPCs will attack anyone equally, when really those that have good standings with them and don't do anything hostile should be treated as allies.

Instant abuse: on a frigate, hotswap a 1MN Afterburner II for the original mod of a Catalyzed Cold-Gas Arcjet Thrusters after getting the tackle. You give up a 30k ISK mod, and overall you gain the advantage of having a dual-prop fit. This would break every single close-range frigate; in particular, ships that already use dualprop to great efficiency: Dramiel, Daredevil, Taranis, Firetail.

There are easy ways around that, like making rats do omni-damage and be omni-tanked. And pvp and pve mix actually well, as in low/null you have to pve in pvp capable ship.

Nothing will fix active tanking, it cant counter the alpha. Just deluded think its fixable at all, just like bounty hunting. And even with ehp increase solution would be just more alpha.

I think a hundred man strong welpfleet will destroy a titan in few minutes, so without supercap amount of HP active tanking just isnt viable, and just by mentioning it you lose your credibility. And artillery alphafleet will do even more damage.

Two fits per ship, no. It just ruins the game immersion, dumbs the game down and makes player choice less relevant.

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Edit: i.e. not complete two fits but only one or two modules (in total) that can be swopped and you can only swop certain modules for other ones, such as ...
- shield passive resist can be swopped for a scrambler or a web,
- amplifier can be swopped for a disruptor
- armour repairs can be swopped for a plate

However, extenders, boosters, hardeners and propulsion modules can't be swopped at all nor would any of those that do swop, work in reverse.

*(Examples are not suggestions for actual changes, just to help describe the idea.)