EVE General Discussion

Once you leave high-sec there is an extremely short learning curve...

Yep, this is what they do not tell you when you upgrade, and this is what is killing the game. Gate camps and suicide ganking machines are an exploit of the game. A glitch in the design left on purpose by CCP which prevent the game to grow.

Depending on what system you go to it can be VERY dangerous.

Here is some hints that I picked up over my last 3 weeks...

- ALWAYS CHECK LOCAL, keep it separate from your other communications chat tabs. So you can see who is in the system with you.

- When moving from system to system, check your planned route before hand to see how many pilots are in or have been in that area in the last 30min. You can do this in your map with the filters. VERY HANDY... will keep you from blundering into a gate camp.

- ANYWHERE outside of high sec is the wild west. Shoot first, or run, but dont think, you dont have time to think.


I go places in a T1 Probe I probably shouldnt go. I live and operate in low sec, 0.4 down to 0.1 systems. I will venture out into Null Sec every so often for a few expeditions. But I do it in a cloaking Probe, with nothing I cant afford to replace, I think that probe is at most 4mil... maybe 6. When I go out to Nullsec in that ship I go data site and relic site hunting. I can easily make 20-60mil in one of those and get out before anyone can get to me.

Lastly set up your tabs on the right with information you NEED. Get rid of all of the extra stuff, like asteroids and floating junk, only put PVE and PVP contacts on one tab, Nav waypoints on another (stations, gates, celestials, personal nav points).

Trust me, it is a lot better when you know how to escape or avoid the fight you dont want.

If one falls to a gate camp in one system, then avoiding that system in future might be wise.

There are safer ways of getting to low or null sec than through choke points such as Tama. They might just take a little longer.

Even better still is to just stay the heck out of low-sec and null-sec...

I believe that things like ganking and gate camps are so fundamental to eve that it could not exist without them.

you don't like camps, then get a few friends and go bust the camp. or heck, fit up a mwd+cloak ship and run their camp a bunch of times just to annoy them. camping creates content for the campers, the victims, and any pvpers that are just looking for a fight.

if you don't like ganks then don't make yourself a target. Hauling in a ship with a paper bag for a tank just isn't smart, likewise mining in a barge that only focuses on yield and cargo hold makes you an easy kill. Or getting greedy and hauling so many billions of isk that it becomes profitable for 20 people to gank you. Ganking has been nerfed a number of times, concord response times have been made faster multiple times, insurance payouts got removed for criminals, and looting the wreck creates a suspect timer for the looter.

I mean super ratting looks pretty good, and I'm not completely against the idea of buying a super now that they can be docked in keepstars.

Honestly, even if my advice is too late, when you happen to run into gate camps several times, chances are you are doing something wrong.

For one thing, your map has filters so you can filter for exploding player-ships so you are warned when a certain system is "hot". Another way to keep your ship from exploding is looking for choke points in Null or LowSec, because those are frequently camped. Also avoid playing in time zones where tons of people are playing, if possible. If I'm on a longer exploration-trip, I tend to ignore choke points like that and instead travel through W-Space until a random wormhole spits me out in HighSec again.

You have the tools, just use them!

Avoiding Gate camps:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6510125#post6510125

Edit: Some other advice...

- don't take the shortest or most trafficked route. While this may make some deep, dark ancestral instinct in the back of your head recoil (because a lot of people are disposed to "stay and travel where other people are"), you need to find routes and systems that see little traffic. This will often add 3 to 7+ jumps to your journey, but it is often worthwhile.

- auto-pilot is not your friend. In high-sec, you can get away with auto-piloting... provided you are in a stupidly cheap ship that you would not mind losing or you are in a SUPER tanked ship that isn't carrying anything of real value.
Outside of high-sec, auto-piloting is a virtual death sentence.

- when in doubt, burn back to gate. This is where Microwarpdrives are very handy. If you jump into a gatecamp, stay calm. Find the stargate you came from, then quickly move towards it with your MWD activated. Jump through as soon as you are able. Do not use drones, or any offense module in any way (for this will create an aggression timer that will prevent you from jumping).

- gankers are people too! If you have a sense of humor and okay "people skills," try talking with the people who killed you. Ask them how to avoid their firepower or defend yourself. More often than not, you will be surprised by the answers they give.


edit2: I dug up another thread you can read with regards to gatecamping

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6020093#post6020093

Actually, they're precisely why the game is so popular.

To Utama: Learn how to beat them. Use instant-aligning ships to get out before they can even lock you, use ships with cloaking devices and MWDs to get out before the find and lock you, use ships with warp core stabilisers so they can't point you, use the tools (in-game and 3rd party) to gather intel about the route you intend to travel, avoid the shortest route from HiSec trade hubs to low/null, talk to people, get assistance where necessary.

The tools are there to avoid those seemingly unfair instakill-superdeath-lose-everything moments. Use them.