EVE New Citizens Q&A

The volley damage on a T2 fit tornado is something around 12k depending on skills and fit so I would guess (without checking zkillboard) that you had less than that as EHP. So you really need more than that especially if you are hauling valueables around. There are a few options:

- personally I prefer to contract out my risks if feasible so I use the ingame chat channel "Haulers Channel" for posting public hauling contracts. The price you pay depends on size of contract, collateral and start and end points but from what you said it sounds like a Jita - Amarr or Jita - Dodoxie run, with 4 bill collateral I would look at 4mill per jump

- alternatively, use a DST if you have a cargo up to 60k m3, or post a public contract

- if it's small, like injectors and you really want to haul it yourself, a tanky Proteus or something on those lines would work.

There isn't a best answer as it depends on whether you plan to haul it yourself or prefer to contract out the risk for reduced profits.

am i allowed to lol in here?

its just the audacity to think that u could run around with 4 bil isk worth of loot in your cargohold in an untanked ship without decent intel or freinds to look out for you or whatever . i dont even put plex in my cargo.

maybe what alerted the people who got the op were his market purchases. maybe not. maybe they just scanned around and randomly found a winner. that thought also makes me chuckle a bit.

im also laughing at imagining the speed at which the alt scooped the loot and warped off.

sry for your loss op but if your going to invest that kinda of isk you should read a bit more about running high risk trade runs.

You are not totally safe in hi -sec.

people can and will shoot at u given reason. Now i cant remember what a nados alpha is but go with what other people are saying so 12k. you need to be able to tank more than that if your not in a blockade runner. in which case you would just cloak as u aligned to warp off the gate....even then a decent pilot could decloak you by getting in 2k?? proximity.

...also the instablap makes me laugh too

....4 bill

tbh, I wouldn't put 4 bil into a tanked freighter...

Highsec is safer, not safe. Anyone can shoot you, any time, they just have to accept there will be consequences (losing their ship). Cargo scanners are a thing, it's easy to tell what you have in your ship's cargo hold, and with a passive targeter, you wouldn't be aware you've even been scanned (there is a visual effect though), same with your ship's fit via a ship scanner.

So, someone sitting at a gate could, within seconds have scanned your ship and cargo, seen what you were carrying and how you (weren't) tanked, calculated what would be needed to blow you up before Concord showed, and calculated the expected profit from doing so (roughly half your cargo will drop, so (cargo value)/2 - (attacking ship value) = expected profit).

If you're hauling in highsec, there's a few options:
small and valuable - covert ops or interceptor and rely on not getting caught. Not 100% reliable, see killboards for plex-carrying interceptors
medium and valuable - blockade runner, can't be cargo scanned and reply on being fast and cloaky. Not 100% reliable, some people like gambling.
large and valuable - freighter or deep space transport. Make it unprofitable to blow you up because of tank. Not 100% reliable, some people don't care about profit

or, courier contract - outsource the risk, pay someone else to haul it. It does cost, but if you set the collateral correctly and they get blown up, you don't loose ISK.

Personally I go for the latter mostly these days. I haven't flown more than 10 mil in or out of Jita in years.

Here is a write-up I did awhile back regarding suicide ganking

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6544374#post6544374

For context; some nubbin was mining and someone attempted to gank him.
While the situation may not be exactly yours, the gist is the same and many of the same tactics miners use to be safe can also be used.


Being "safe" in EVE has less to do with what equipment you have and more to do with how you use it.

I would argue that in many ways you are less safe in high sec than anywhere else in K space. In null sec you can watch intel channels to know which routes are clear and which have enemies. You can send a fleet ahead to clear the way for you.

In High sec Concord protects the gankers. I laugh when I hear people mentioning Concord "defending" or "protecting" in this channel. Concord ONLY! punishes. They punish criminal offenses after the fact. They in no way protect anyone from anything.

Gankers can sit on a gate all day long waiting for the right target to show up. They are there in cheap ships that they fully intend to loose. If you were to send a group by to clear the way you could only get one ganker at a time and the consequence would be concord wiping out your entire fleet. So if you ask me the only people in the game that experience anything even closely resembling "protection" from Concord are the gankers.

To the OP you are in no way safe in high sec. I am certain that every step along the way while playing this game you have been warned of the dangers and you chose to either ignore or minimize those warnings. This is an open world PvP sandbox where you can be engaged anytime and anywhere. Ganking, Scamming, Theft, Spying, and destruction for destruction's sake are not only allowed in this game but lauded and encouraged.

If you are looking for a game that provides you with a "safe space" where you can do whatever you like with no worries of consequences then Eve is not the game for you. The advertising propaganda for this game pushes home the idea that the game is developed around the concept of decisions having real consequences. Phrases like "Eve is real" and "Make an impact on the Universe" have literally been advertising campaigns for this game.

You have had to ignore advice that is thrown around everywhere in this game like "don't undock in what you can't afford to loose" and "don't fly around in untanked ships with expensive items in your cargo". You have absolutely no one to blame but yourself for this loss. Everything that you described was completely predictable and to be expected.

How good? The old "if it seems to good to be true - it's not true" is a good principle to follow. Fits your circumstances for a variety of paranoia reasons especially.





Don't let losses of any kind bother you greatly. Learn from them.




Not carrying 4 billion unprepared . Sorry, just true.

The guy in that Tornado is the reason the profitable trade was there in the first place. Maybe it's not that crappy after all.

Don't bother tanking. It does help to fit shield extenders and kin/therm resists to escape a casual gank would you fly empty on AFK but if you're moving valuables then tanking as a strategy doesn't work. Never has, never will.

Cloak/MWD or use courier contracts.


Here's a simple example fit of a high sec hauler, carrying almost 20K, that could move billions without ever being in trouble once you learned to use cloak/mwd. Fit can be adapted with nanofibers, overdrives or hyper rigs to suit your needs.

[Badger, Basic High sec]
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II

50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Medium Shield Extender II
Medium Shield Extender II
Medium Shield Extender II
Thermal Dissipation Amplifier II
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II

[empty high slot]
Improved Cloaking Device II

Medium Cargohold Optimization I
Medium Cargohold Optimization I
Medium Cargohold Optimization I

I think it's a brilliant feature of the game!

Put 4 billion dollars in the back of your truck and go driving cross-country, see what happens.