Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This was a problem with off-grid boosting, and off-grid boosting was nerfed for good reasons. It isn't relevant to the current game.



This would be a much more credible argument if T3s cost the same as a recon ship and didn't cost you skill points (a far more relevant cost than the ISK). And, assuming a re-balance that nerfs the tank on T3s (a problem regardless of subsystem choices, so the most likely target for a nerf) if they had the same auto-win ewar ability as recons. With a nerfed tank and no bubble immunity there's no real reason to take a T3 over a Stratios.

I notice how you entirely avoided my challenge to you “normally decloaking” T3 Cruisers, so we can at least agree that it’s not practical to do so.

But dude you want to operate under the premise of “You can’t catch me, but I can catch you”, you only want the rules of Nullsec to apply for combat when you want them to, rather than all the time. You want to travel in a combat ship in null with with the same level of safety as Hisec.

This promotes gameplay where players avoid combat entirely until circumstances are overwhelmingly in their favour, and only picking the fights they know they can win. I understand mobility is important, but if Nullsec travel is an issue, get instawarp nullified shuttles. Instead we give that ability to arguably one of the most powerful sub capital combat ships in Eve the T3 Cruiser.

Nullsec is about danger, combat and collaboration, it’s not about safety. The only safety there should be in Null is the safety the players themselves create.

Your opinion of “interesting forms of combat” is skewed, what’s interesting for some is not for others, it is just your opinion, one perspective amongst so many others. What it does highlight is your own personal bias that there are forms of combat you specifically want to avoid, because it interferes with your personal play style. Whats good for you isn't necessarily whats good for the game.
Your opinion that gate camps are lazy is one perspective, another is that cloaky nullified ship pilots who press the warp and cloak button is also lazy gameplay, no having to check the map for system activity, no having to use scouts, no piloting skills, nothing, 2 buttons is all it takes. The thing about perspectives is there's more than one.

A gate camp might seem uninteresting to you, but for others blockades form an important role in maintaining strategic objectives (anchoring structures, defending mining ops, reducing enemy combat mobility/reinforcements). Gate camps take multiple pilots (Plex) to maintain, committing resources which may potentially result in no kills at all, but players are spending hours of their own time collaborating and coordinating these blockades to secure strategic objectives, only to have T3 Cruisers pass right by, risk free.

It should be practical to decloak and lock a T3 Cruiser, I didn't say it should be easy, but if a group makes an effort and fits ship specifically for this purpose it should be achievable, right now there are no practical options to counter the cloak+nullified T3 Cruiser. We don't need a specific module or anything fancy, we can achieve it using existing game mechanics (e.g. increasing align time).

The have not removed the mechanic that allows them to get past any sized gate camp.





T3 would have the ability to adapt without a station or capital/nester and the ability to swap out rigs without destroying them. Cost means nothing to a lot of us but I would expect T3C build costs to drop and the SP loss tossed in the bin as it doesn't work.

This all day ^^^^^^^

It may go sideways, like marauders costs more than carriers, because of balance...
Famous ship progession tree made by CCP landed in the bin long time ago. T2s prices are almost at the faction prices.

Inherent nullification should only be present in travel and some industrial ships. For combat ships it should be made available in an active module with huge penalties that could be lessened with role bonuses. Currently, nullified ships, especially interceptors, are way too mobile.

Oui. And have 0-150 dps with the tank of a wet noodle. All they have is mobility and and a point. Essential for fleet scouting and tackling.

There is a rebalance coming, let's see what proposed changes are. More penalty for nulified t3 would be good, like slower align time (even 1-2s) -1 low/med slot etc. So they aren't uncatchable and have weaker tank/ control.

The other way round.

Interceptors and other paperplanes can have these skills, they can be stopped in an bombing gatecamp -> counter avaible.
A T3 Cruiser has more tank and can hardly be stopped when fitted properly.

A T3 Cruiser, a good savespot and a mobile depot allow to many bad things. An nullified DST would become a good "mobile refit station" for this ...

Wouldn't this make them OP? The bombers and the Stratios especially?
Also, poor Nestor is left out of the fun again :(

You misspelled "Be able to fly around null sec being nearly un-catchable."