Player Features and Ideas Discussion

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CCP has realesed "propogandistic" movie about many directions in EVE Universe, PVP, Creation, Trade, Exploration, Betrayal. Hoever it looks like PVP orientation gets Premium service with a lot of tools and easy gameplay, compare to others who have to survive, pray to god of luck, and play in hardcore conditions.

... Are you really this simple? Ok let me explain how things will actually work if your fail of a suggestion gets implemented.
Carebear #1 forms a highsec research/manufacturing corp with carebears #2-20
Carebears #1-20 stay in highsec, where nobody can wardec them because they never fill the prerequisites of lowsec combat
Carebears #1-20 make ludicrous amounts of ISK and the most loss they ever suffer is the odd hauler that gets ganked. (And that's if they screw up.)

Seems pretty immune to me.


If you really think that PVP is easier than raking in cash in highsec, then you're a fool.


Wardeccing someone is only easy if the victims make it that way.

Edit: Oh and here's how I'd exploit your system:
1. Plant spy in newbie corp
2. Get spy to aggress me in lowsec
3. Oh look, now I can wardec newbie corp.

This wouldn't work against the corps that actually know what they're doing, so the end result of your idea is that the newbie corps still get victimised, while the serious PVEers avoid PVP as they always have done.
End result: big industrialists are untouchable and making ridiculous amounts of risk-free cash, and newbies making corporations get screwed over as much as ever.

If you need me to explain any of this in smaller words for you, don't be afraid to ask.

1. "Carebear" (a person who build ship you are flying on) in high sec make less profit compare to carebear who live in nul sec and get double or even more profit in exchange for the risk. In your opinion risk should be the same for both of them.

2. There are many different directions in PVP, but those who hide in High Sec, ganking defenceless ships with a single shot, wardec the weak and profitable, and hide in stations when gank who can shot back come, looks very easy to me and boring.

3. It does work ok to me if someone joins the corp and make a provoke attack for WarDec, at least it's an effort to get wardec, not with a simple click.

While i do not agree the way Duchess Starbuckington speaks, he is right. Any way to make money without risk breaks the game... you can make less money then null sec corps, but if it does not involve risk it does only need time to be great.

What makes eve great is just this risk and many things you can do... what i think you are not realizing is that you don't need to do things alone... if you are not good at PVP and does not want to be, them make some kind of ageement with an PVP corp, gives them something in exchange for protection, or even hire someone eventually to wage war for you. If some ******* corp declare war on you, just pay someone to destroy everything they have, make them fly shuttles for lack of money.. they will choose another one to prey on the next time, this you can be sure.

If you can make much money in eve you have to spend some of it with protection, be it in you on corporation or in a 3º one, just like in real world.

Do you complain to the devs of every game you play wrong?



So basically you're asking to be left alone in a multiplayer game?

PvPers have 'easy gameplay', oh my god how sheltered you are. We have newbies in our alliance who are amazed when they find out that there are no interdiction bubbles in high sec, and that CONCORD are unassailable sky gods that kill you instantly.

If you're praying to the god of luck when you undock in a hostile environment then you're a moron and you're doing it wrong. You are in control of the risk you take when you undock, if you choose to fly around in an expensive ship with no intelligence on enemy movements then you deserve to lose it.

Fly ships you can easilly replace, gather intelligence on your enemies, do something proactive. Basically why don't YOU change the way you play instead of whining to CCP to change EVERYTHING ELSE to suit you because another player in a multiplayer game has interacted with you in a way that you don't like.

I would suggest to fix a wardec (assuming CCP gets around to pulling the plug on Dec avoidance), that it cost more. Not isk. Real Cash . It would cost the person declaring the war an additional $15 USD (Micro transaction, go CCP you can do it! ) to declare war on one opposing corp, since basicly you are forcing your time/entertainment on someone else. So Recap: To force someone else to play the sandbox your way, you should pay CCP to let someone else be your target b*tch

But that is the point, being sucessifull in having money or resources is a good reason to war... wars are waged for money not for fun (in the game for that too :P), entire contries had been exterminated for money or resourses, even today contries use dumb excuses to invade another one just to have cheaper resourses, that why there is no contry in the world without military...

and eve is the only game i know that had sucess to reproduce this, in other games you never lose nothing, in eve you need to be carefull and worry about protecting the things you have. Concord and the NPC corporations serve to protect the lone ones, when you decide to exchange this protection for you own corporation you will have to defend yourself.

You seems like enjoying twisting my words. I've no problem with risk, i've no problem with agrresive attitude of major comunity in eve, i've no problems with space where you can get blown, but i've a problem with current balance. Your answer is typical to all carebears, but my suggestion was about making war declarations reasonable. You suggest me to put and effort in order to fly safe (gather intelligence)? i want PVP players put an effort before they be able to wardec someone, that's it, it wont stop suicide ganking or make Highsec very safe.

Not limited. As an industrial character you operate in a war time economy. There must be conflict in order for industrial characters to make isk. If player run corporations can op out of participating in War Decs then I don't believe you should be able to participate in the player run economy either.

Eve is supposed to be a social game whose mechanics should support it and the War Dec system is part of that. It helps minimize the number of poor corps that are out there and encourages cooperation in order to be successful.

The War Dec system I think needs to go through a major rehaul, I think there should be much more opportunity for unconcensual PVP in high sec but outside of people in NPC Corps (getting War Dec'd) no one should be immune.

The things I make, sell, trade and the isk I make from those actions have 'value' to me because I was able to do all that despite the risk and danger involved. Otherwise I can just do some repetitive task in my free time and not have to pay a sub.

I have no idea how you can set up game mechanics around "hostile acts". If your my competitor in a market selling items then War Dec'ing you should be a viable option for me to keep you from selling. Concord is also not there for your protection, they exist to provide consequences for actions. Furthermore your use of the word, "defenseless" bothers me. You are only defenseless if you choose to be and that applies to your choice or ship, corp, tactics and many other things.