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Miner Extortion by Gankers

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Sasha Nemtsov
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#141 - 2017-04-12 13:24:10 UTC
Peorthyr Ashagal wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Kill the bumper instead of crying on the forums?


No tears here, sorry. (but I can sense some salt from you?)
try to read my sentences, I know my english isn't perfect, but I bet you got the sense.

As I've already explained, I feel the bumping thingy a little "ugly" to see, this is a game with big starships, lasers, missiles, megainfernorockets... and bumping...that's the anti-epicness IMHO.

maybe a better mechanic for bumping (and some visuals) is needed to maintain the epic level of the game at the same state as other things in EVE.

What you're talking about has been discussed before. Surprise, surprise.

The way collisions are handled in EVE is no less 'realistic' than the way other features are handled; dare I suggest that 'point-and-click' is hardly a technological innovation...

I suspect that it would be just too much work to change the mechanic - even if there were an appetite for doing so.

At some point, if bumping is proven to be in need of a change, CCP will do it, and ask for no one's 'by your leave..' Let's cross that bridge when we come to it.

You will, however, have to explain how crashing into a ship might otherwise work. Pay special attention to whether both vessels are in motion when the collision happens, or whether the 'target' is stationary. Calculate the relative speeds and trajectories in order to display the severity of any damage which might occur. Ask the Art Dept to create damage workups for each ship in the game. How would 10% damage to the front off-side point of a Retriever piloted by someone with only basic shield-tanking skills be represented - in colour . Then multiply that visual damage profile for ships with SKINS; a new profile for each SKIN. Spaceships move very quickly; on collision, might not both vessels simply explode (given the high energy amounts locked within them)? I suppose that might start a new playstyle of suicide-bumping...

Then start your coding...

Simple, really.
Areen Sassel
Dirac Angestun Gesept
#142 - 2017-04-13 02:04:12 UTC
Sasha Nemtsov wrote:
Spaceships move very quickly; on collision, might not both vessels simply explode (given the high energy amounts locked within them)? I suppose that might start a new playstyle of suicide-bumping...


And I'll bet every other null bloc would be utterly delighted by the prospect of a dozen bees in inties being able to kamikaze a super off the field. :-)
Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#143 - 2017-04-13 02:54:55 UTC
Areen Sassel wrote:
Sasha Nemtsov wrote:
Spaceships move very quickly; on collision, might not both vessels simply explode (given the high energy amounts locked within them)? I suppose that might start a new playstyle of suicide-bumping...


And I'll bet every other null bloc would be utterly delighted by the prospect of a dozen bees in inties being able to kamikaze a super off the field. :-)

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Kaely Tanniss
Black Lotus Society.
#144 - 2017-04-13 07:32:11 UTC
Oooo... Suicide bumping. Now THAT would be interesting. I suspect, though, that it would only become yet another "arguing" point for those who can't seem to grasp the concept of the game. Blink

If I had a nickel for every time someone said women don't play eve, I'd have a bag of nickels to whack the next person who said it..

Jacques d'Orleans
#145 - 2017-04-13 11:10:52 UTC
Kaely Tanniss wrote:
Oooo... Suicide bumping. Now THAT would be interesting. I suspect, though, that it would only become yet another "arguing" point for those who can't seem to grasp the concept of the game. Blink


Yes, it would, that's sure. On the other hand I see the new game content a really working damage and collision model would give to all of us.
It would, so to say, chaff separated from the wheat, e.g the ones who whine will still do so, but I'm pretty sure it also would create a new sort of player those who try to make it thru hordes of enemies and delivering their goods. Not just a "Hauler", but a real "Merchant Marine".
Like the type of badasses these guys were: "Ganked and "Bumped" for days but still made it.
Peorthyr Ashagal
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#146 - 2017-04-13 15:31:13 UTC
Sasha Nemtsov wrote:

What you're talking about has been discussed before. Surprise, surprise.

The way collisions are handled in EVE is no less 'realistic' than the way other features are handled; dare I suggest that 'point-and-click' is hardly a technological innovation...

I suspect that it would be just too much work to change the mechanic - even if there were an appetite for doing so.

At some point, if bumping is proven to be in need of a change, CCP will do it, and ask for no one's 'by your leave..' Let's cross that bridge when we come to it.

You will, however, have to explain how crashing into a ship might otherwise work. Pay special attention to whether both vessels are in motion when the collision happens, or whether the 'target' is stationary. Calculate the relative speeds and trajectories in order to display the severity of any damage which might occur. Ask the Art Dept to create damage workups for each ship in the game. How would 10% damage to the front off-side point of a Retriever piloted by someone with only basic shield-tanking skills be represented - in colour . Then multiply that visual damage profile for ships with SKINS; a new profile for each SKIN. Spaceships move very quickly; on collision, might not both vessels simply explode (given the high energy amounts locked within them)? I suppose that might start a new playstyle of suicide-bumping...

Then start your coding...

Simple, really.



Of course I can image that it is already been discussed, in fact I just stated my opinion on the topic (which is a discussion on that point), your implementation description is pointless unless you are actually have seen the code of EVE.
I don't get the point, are you complaining because I have written that the bumping mechanic is ugly?
You talk about realism, but I never talked about it, my opinion is opposite to that, EVE is EPIC, not REALISTIC, and bumping is what I can image of the most far away concept of epicnes.

By the way, it was just my opinion on the topic, nothing more. I surely don't need that implemented tomorrow, just talking. Sorry if I've touched you somehow.
Sasha Nemtsov
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#147 - 2017-04-13 16:24:39 UTC
Peorthyr Ashagal wrote:
Sorry if I've touched you somehow.

To touch me, you must first catch me!

No, no. You displayed what I took to be naivety, given that bumping has been discussed to death - in all its aspects. No one begrudges you your opinion; however, don't be surprised if it isn't wholeheartedly embraced by an adoring public, in raptures at your originality and hearing it for the first time.

The Crime and Punishment sub-forum presents a challenging environment to the unwary. Don't be unwary.

I don't need to see EVE's code. The physics of bumping were also discussed - along with the other goodies you clearly missed. It's not your fault I suppose if you missed the thread/s, but it wouldn't hurt, would it, to at least try to discover whether your opinion was likely to spark interest or not. Of course, you may not care whether or not it does so.

Have you submitted your thoughts and opinions to the Player Features & Ideas sub-forum?

You round off your mini-sulk with 'it was just my opinion, nothing more'. Young man; opinions matter. That is, informed and well-formed opinions matter.

D'you know, I've completely forgotten what this is all about. Better stop there, Sasha....
Vipsan Agrippa
Machine Gun Coitus
#148 - 2017-04-13 22:51:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Vipsan Agrippa
Peorthyr Ashagal wrote:


Sorry if I've touched you somehow.



Never apologise to a Codie, just realise they are sensitive petals who wail at the smallest prick ( not you ).

The locals here usually ignore their circle jerk posts to each other.

They have low self esteem from a cloning accident that denied them reproductive organs. The same cloning mistake gave them sub par brains, only able to achieve repetitive botting tasks such as ganking.

I have studied these pathetic organisms by numerous biopsy's on their podded corpses. Some superior entities (by comparison) have been able to break free of their cult like environment. Establishing their own care facility and activities, well done to the Kusions for this minor achievement. Baby steps, baby steps!

James315 started out as their carer. As time went by and the pressures of running such a large care facility struck, he had a break-down. Whilst on a battery of cheap medications supplied by the Angel Cartel James315 had visions; "Why be just a low paid long suffering carer surrounded by bots - I will be the Organ Grinder and these bots can be my unpaid monkeys."



So you see Peorthr, the locals here NEVER take a Codie seriously. We nod and wink at them, occasionally pod them for sport , but we NEVER take them seriously.



Help explain?
  • Fk Bob Praise Kek! -

They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Alliances will rise and fall, but one constant in Eve is the smouldering dumpster that is C & P.

(Bob's a cuck)

Clockwork Robot
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#149 - 2017-04-14 18:02:55 UTC
Vipsan Agrippa wrote:
Peorthyr Ashagal wrote:


Sorry if I've touched you somehow.



Never apologise to a Codie, just realise they are sensitive petals who wail at the smallest prick ( not you ).

The locals here usually ignore their circle jerk posts to each other.

They have low self esteem from a cloning accident that denied them reproductive organs. The same cloning mistake gave them sub par brains, only able to achieve repetitive botting tasks such as ganking.

I have studied these pathetic organisms by numerous biopsy's on their podded corpses. Some superior entities (by comparison) have been able to break free of their cult like environment. Establishing their own care facility and activities, well done to the Kusions for this minor achievement. Baby steps, baby steps!

James315 started out as their carer. As time went by and the pressures of running such a large care facility struck, he had a break-down. Whilst on a battery of cheap medications supplied by the Angel Cartel James315 had visions; "Why be just a low paid long suffering carer surrounded by bots - I will be the Organ Grinder and these bots can be my unpaid monkeys."



So you see Peorthr, the locals here NEVER take a Codie seriously. We nod and wink at them, occasionally pod them for sport , but we NEVER take them seriously.


Help explain?



That is like, so many words for a group you don't take seriously. I'm certain Sasha has a more eloquently worded statement to this effect, but sometimes I prefer brevity.

You care. A lot.
Vipsan Agrippa
Machine Gun Coitus
#150 - 2017-04-14 19:42:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Vipsan Agrippa
How was the finger-painting today Mr Robot? Good Yes.



*Nods & Winks then leaves* BlinkBig smile
  • Fk Bob Praise Kek! -

They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Alliances will rise and fall, but one constant in Eve is the smouldering dumpster that is C & P.

(Bob's a cuck)

Sasha Nemtsov
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#151 - 2017-04-14 21:05:21 UTC
Clockwork Robot wrote:
Vipsan Agrippa wrote:
Peorthyr Ashagal wrote:


Sorry if I've touched you somehow.



Never apologise to a Codie, just realise they are sensitive petals who wail at the smallest prick ( not you ).

The locals here usually ignore their circle jerk posts to each other.

They have low self esteem from a cloning accident that denied them reproductive organs. The same cloning mistake gave them sub par brains, only able to achieve repetitive botting tasks such as ganking.

I have studied these pathetic organisms by numerous biopsy's on their podded corpses. Some superior entities (by comparison) have been able to break free of their cult like environment. Establishing their own care facility and activities, well done to the Kusions for this minor achievement. Baby steps, baby steps!

James315 started out as their carer. As time went by and the pressures of running such a large care facility struck, he had a break-down. Whilst on a battery of cheap medications supplied by the Angel Cartel James315 had visions; "Why be just a low paid long suffering carer surrounded by bots - I will be the Organ Grinder and these bots can be my unpaid monkeys."



So you see Peorthr, the locals here NEVER take a Codie seriously. We nod and wink at them, occasionally pod them for sport , but we NEVER take them seriously.


Help explain?



That is like, so many words for a group you don't take seriously. I'm certain Sasha has a more eloquently worded statement to this effect, but sometimes I prefer brevity.

You care. A lot.

Vipsan is blocked, CR; I'm just too tired these days to tease out the sense from the dross. I did notice, however, an error.

Fatty - Fatties
Lolly - Lollies
Biopsy - ?

Guess.
Vipsan Agrippa
Machine Gun Coitus
#152 - 2017-04-14 21:21:10 UTC
I really appreciate the proof reading, I will repost with the correction for maximum effect. I care. Blink
  • Fk Bob Praise Kek! -

They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Alliances will rise and fall, but one constant in Eve is the smouldering dumpster that is C & P.

(Bob's a cuck)

Vipsan Agrippa
Machine Gun Coitus
#153 - 2017-04-14 21:24:13 UTC
Never apologise to a Codie, just realise they are sensitive petals who wail at the smallest prick ( not you ).

The locals here usually ignore their circle jerk posts to each other.

They have low self esteem from a cloning accident that denied them reproductive organs. The same cloning mistake gave them sub par brains, only able to achieve repetitive botting tasks such as ganking.

I have studied these pathetic organisms by numerous biopsies on their podded corpses. Some superior entities (by comparison) have been able to break free of their cult like environment. Establishing their own care facility and activities, well done to the Kusions for this minor achievement. Baby steps, baby steps!

James315 started out as their carer. As time went by and the pressures of running such a large care facility struck, he had a break-down. Whilst on a battery of cheap medications supplied by the Angel Cartel James315 had visions; "Why be just a low paid long suffering carer surrounded by bots - I will be the Organ Grinder and these bots can be my unpaid monkeys."



So you see Peorthr, the locals here NEVER take a Codie seriously. We nod and wink at them, occasionally pod them for sport , but we NEVER take them seriously.


Help explain?


( Must thank Sasha for helping get this message out. Blink )
  • Fk Bob Praise Kek! -

They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Alliances will rise and fall, but one constant in Eve is the smouldering dumpster that is C & P.

(Bob's a cuck)

Jacques d'Orleans
#154 - 2017-04-14 21:29:52 UTC
You definitely sound like you take them serious, tbh, you sound like you've leveled Extreme Butthurt to V.
Just sayin'
Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#155 - 2017-04-14 21:36:46 UTC
Jacques d'Orleans wrote:
You definitely sound like you take them serious, tbh, you sound like you've leveled Extreme Butthurt to V.
Just sayin'

What's the multiplier on that?

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Vipsan Agrippa
Machine Gun Coitus
#156 - 2017-04-14 21:39:37 UTC

Sounds like Jacky is butthurt tbh to XI. BlinkBig smile
  • Fk Bob Praise Kek! -

They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Alliances will rise and fall, but one constant in Eve is the smouldering dumpster that is C & P.

(Bob's a cuck)

Jacques d'Orleans
#157 - 2017-04-14 21:43:25 UTC
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Jacques d'Orleans wrote:
You definitely sound like you take them serious, tbh, you sound like you've leveled Extreme Butthurt to V.
Just sayin'

What's the multiplier on that?


One metric shyte ton. Lol
Vipsan Agrippa
Machine Gun Coitus
#158 - 2017-04-14 22:03:14 UTC
Jacques d'Orleans wrote:
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Jacques d'Orleans wrote:
You definitely sound like you take them serious, tbh, you sound like you've leveled Extreme Butthurt to V.
Just sayin'

What's the multiplier on that?


One metric shyte ton. Lol



Sounds like you are really really buthurt Jacky, and you only bought a codie licence. Big smileBig smileBig smile

Marked for all to see as codie property in your bio. Ugh





Owned. Blink
  • Fk Bob Praise Kek! -

They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Alliances will rise and fall, but one constant in Eve is the smouldering dumpster that is C & P.

(Bob's a cuck)

Jacques d'Orleans
#159 - 2017-04-14 22:22:24 UTC
Vipsan Agrippa wrote:
Jacques d'Orleans wrote:
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Jacques d'Orleans wrote:
You definitely sound like you take them serious, tbh, you sound like you've leveled Extreme Butthurt to V.
Just sayin'

What's the multiplier on that?


One metric shyte ton. Lol



Sounds like you are really really buthurt Jacky, and you only bought a codie licence. Big smileBig smileBig smile

Marked for all to see as codie property in your bio. Ugh





Owned. Blink


Hazel, Hazel, Hazel, you really naughty, aren't you?
I proudly own a valid Permit, albeit I didn't really need it anymore because I live in Null, but I will buy another one, when it's time to do so. Yes, I'm an CODE. Supporter and yes I support the cause of James 315, blessed be his name.
CODE. creates content, your tears in C&P are a fine example for some delicious content. So crisp, so refreshing.


Clockwork Robot
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#160 - 2017-04-14 22:24:17 UTC
Vipsan Agrippa wrote:
How was the finger-painting today Mr Robot? Good Yes.



*Nods & Winks then leaves* BlinkBig smile



I can't tell if those dudes are comfortable doing that video, or they are just doing it for money.