Player Features and Ideas Discussion

One issue would also be you wold fug a lot people over that created contend around km
Like third party hp's

Stop pvp my English skills.

People create content on the base of kill mails.
Like 3rd party homepages.

And you will screw them if you nerf the kill mail

About that, a few days ago some guy came into my system in Stain with a stiletto and was feeling cocky. I was in an Arbitrator and engaged, so his alts or buddies or whatever came in and killed her

Anyway, I dock and tried something else and gave up.

He then started bashing me in local, making assumption based on my keyboard and called me a pussy because I didn't want to fight a Gila, an Orthrus, a vagabond with 2x Basilisks on my own, providing him his "entitled" content.

What in the name of the Kuvakei does my keyboard have to do with the decisions I make?

On my own it would be a fool's errant to engage this in anything below a support fleet I didn't have, so I didn't.


You can look at my keyboard but this doesn't tell you the whole story of what happened unless you have been there. The keyboard doesn't even show anything about positioning, movement, what was yelled on comms or not, intel, eyes of intel, alts of eyes of intel, alts of alts of spy alts of alts.

The paranoia is strong in New Eden and yes, better bring more logi because I don't go down easy.

Teckos, eve-central doesn't provide a sampling on anyone. Dotlan is for e-testical measuring contests and pee-pee contests who the smaller testicals has or something.

Or for the 3 week old new-age yahoos with 100 gajillion pirate capitals.

To be clear on this, when it comes to market PvP I don't give two ***** who it is that is causing the price to move. All I care about is that the price has changed. I don't even give two ***** as to why, just that it has.

Prices convey information. If for example, some alliance decided on a new doctrine and buys up all of a specific type of gun for sale on Jita pushing up the sale price and then thy buy prices...I really don't give a crap. I don't care if it is Scipio, Dracvlad or some guy sitting in Vladivostok I have never heard of. Nor should anyone else. All they need to know is there in the price. The price has gone up by 48% and profit margins have just jumped upwards too. Why? Who cares. Just start building the stuff ASAP to take advantage of the price increase.

This notion of, "It doesn't tell you anything about the pilot." Don't care. Not one teeny tiny bit. But eve-central certainly makes my job easier. I can do it without logging in a jita alt. I can have open multiple tabs in my browser comparing different goods in terms of profitability. Tells me where to go sell my stuff if I am selling to buy orders. Heck makes it simple when setting up the route too.

If we are going to say "free" intel is bad, eve-central must go. All of the market related sites should go the way of IWI. Given a grace period in which to shut down or face a ban.

If you don't like this well maybe you should rethink the "free" intel is always bad notion. Especially when it really isn't "free".

In the same way, zkillboard and all other killboards only provide access to information available in game.

The difference is, for killboards people actually give their data away, rather than it being part of the publicly available information through the API. Individuals and Corps have to actually give their API to the killboards, or now login with the SSO and agree to give access to their killmails.

Which is one of the crazy aspects of these sorts of threads. Players deliberately give access to the data and then complain how bad it is that there is access to the data.

Information? What do you think intel is if not information. And I actually do not believe anything should be done with dotlan or eve-central. Because I don't consider them free intel. Nor do I consider killmails free intel.

Tell me if you are out roaming do you use zkill to find out if you should attack a person? Do you try to use it as a real time intel source? Kinda clunky if you ask me. What if they aren't in a ship that they previously died in? What if they aren't doing what they were doing in that ship last time they died? Same fit? At best killmails give you incomplete information.

And removing rats killed will not do much, IMO. Suppose it is removed, where would you go looking for ratters? Hmmm how about systems with sec status -0.5 and lower? I'd be sure to hit all the -1s in a region....which is highly correlated with the number of rats killed. If you go to dotlan and have it show rats killed in system and note the red systems then switch over to security status the red systems (high number of rats killed) and the purple systems (low sec status) will tend to be one and the same. So we should remove security status too. Heck it shouldn't even show in game as that is literally free intel. And at this point CCP should go and randomize system sec status because most of us know know where good ratting grounds are in various regions. And also we should randomize where moons are for moon mining. IF one truly believes that this kind of intel is bad.

And why would we even do this? Isn't knowing where the money moons are a good thing as people will fight over them? CCP has always indicated they wanted people to fight over good systems (low security status--e.g. -1). And knowing where those systems are you can more efficiently look for ratters to kill and maybe even get some fights.

And what is zkill going to tell us about ratters we don't already know? Even a mission runner out of Dodixie can probably tell you where the resist holes will be for ratters in Fountain.

Sure there is utility in looking over kills on zkill, but I find that "my killmails!!" complaints more tiresome and problematic. For example, the thread about evicting some dude from a WH who self destructed a number of dreads while tethered....that was basically, "I didn't the killmails I should have!" kind of thing.