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[Philosophy] The meaning of life: negative entropy vs freedom.

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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#1 - 2017-01-30 13:36:43 UTC
The Maker has created our Universe as a harsh place. It is vast, cold, empty and inhospitable. And in this unending fabric of freezing void there are polar opposites - cold boiling balls of plasma heated to temperatures enough to melt or even evaporate metal. Their gravity deforms the whole structure of time and space continuum up to creating a supermassive black holes, gravity field of which is so colossal that even the light cant escape them. On the periphery of these burning beacons of light that we call stars there exist planets. They are just huge balls of gas or rock, and between them there are asteroids, smaller chunks of rock and ice. They collide between themselves, aggregate into larger chunks, bombards planets, and even planets themselves could collide or get devoured by stars. Everything here either crashes or devour. Imagine our tiny bodies left float in the space - they will quickly turn into frozen corpses, and if that won't kill us, micrometeorites flying almost on subrelativistic speeds will turn our unprotected skin into colander.

This universe is not so random as it appears. Everything here behaves according to the laws, set by the Maker, Creator or the nature itself. One of the major laws of our Universe, also called the second law of thermodynamics, states that the total entropy never decreases, it stays either same or increases. The entropy (S) is a form of energy, that is defined as the natural (to the base of constant e) logarithm of a thermodynamic probability (W) multiplied by a constant k which is used to convert temperature to energy (S=k*lnW). The thermodynamic probability W depicts the probability of a given thermodynamic state among all other states and is defined as a number of microstates corresponding to the given thermodynamic state. We will define it by following rules:
1) putting any particle to any phase space cell has same probability;
2) distribution of particle among cells gives macrostate;
3) moving of particles inside the cell doesn't give new microstate;
4) swapping of particles between cells gives new microstate.

For example, if we take three protons (lets name them a, b and c) and put them into cup that we separate into 3 sections (1, 2 and 3). If we put all three protons into one part of the cup, it will give a macrostate with single microstate: 1(abc), 2(0), 3(0). Well, in fact, we will have 3 macrostates, all with single microstate (W=1).

If we take a state where we have two protons in one section and one proton into another, we will have six macrostates with three microstates each (For example, 1(ab), 2(c), 3(0); 1(ac), 2(b), 3(0) and 1(bc),2(a),3(0) will be three microstates corresponding to macrostate of having 2 protons in section 1, 1 proton in section 2 and no protons in section 3).

And finally we will have just one macrostate for a proton in each section distribution, but it will have six different microstates, as there are six different ways to fill three protons in three sections, and in this case (W=6) the thermodynamic probability will be highest. This state thus has the maximum entropy and correspond to equilibrium.

But if you start combining protons into molecule, if you will start aggregate particles into structures, you will start cutting their degrees of freedom, and thermodynamic probability W will be dropping, thus lowering the entropy. We can say then that the entropy is the energy that characterizes degree of freedom and the macrocstate that corresponds to maximum entropy is the condition of total freedom. Or just freedom.

And if our universe was created that way, it means that it goes right towards the freedom, where all particles should take their separate cells, bonds will break and eqilibrium will reign the game, calming the universe down in eternal death. However, it would be so if the Maker didn't forge something different to counterbalance it - the LIFE.

Just look at the basis as each life works. Even the simple organisms follow an unusual to universe pattern, a pattern of self-organisation, using up the other forms of energy to create complex structures. They build cells from inorganic materials. They combine aminoacids into peptides and assemble them according to set patterns by nucleic acid chains. This basis of life uses the high energy of a chemical compound known as adenosinetriphosphate (ATP) to create polymers with established structure, the polymers that code information how other polymers should be assembled, and polymers acting as fabrics for other compounds. The change of entropy in such process is negative.

Or just look at plants. They adsorb the light and synthesize sugar from water and carbon dioxide. And breaking this sugar lately is used to generate even more complex molecules - ATP to be used for synthesis of nucleic acid chains and aminoacid chains.

And the crown of this miracle belongs to sentient life. To us, humans. Us, who can not just make copies of ourselves like all other life does, but who can create other things. We build machines, we erect huge stuff (like Mr. Tuulinen does), we build ships size of whole megapolice, and we have left planets to even build cities in space. We now live not just in planets where we were forged by the Maker, that were supplying us with energy in form of other lifeforms, but now we spread above, we conquer inhospitable Universe that had no place for our fragile bodies. We can make our food from inorganic sources just by synthesizing required aminoacids.

I think it's time for us to realize that we were forged not just to exist, but to save the Universe from freedom. It is our destiny to become new forgers and new creators of the Universe we will be living in; we must fight the forces of entropy with the power of Creation! And we have the greatest tools - our brains, our sentience, that will allow us to realize who we are, that will allow us to bring light of construction against dark forces of freedom and destruction.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Jev North
Doomheim
#2 - 2017-01-30 13:40:36 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
we erect huge stuff (like Mr. Tuulinen does)

I'm not sure you should be talking about Pieter's erections in a public forum.

Even though our love is cruel; even though our stars are crossed.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#3 - 2017-01-30 13:42:50 UTC
Why not? I like them.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#4 - 2017-01-30 14:00:15 UTC
Jev North wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
we erect huge stuff (like Mr. Tuulinen does)

I'm not sure you should be talking about Pieter's erections in a public forum.


Welp, that's it. Enough IGS for me today. This one's not going to be beat today.

... well, depending on Pieter's proclivities I suppose.
Yarosara Ruil
#5 - 2017-01-30 14:29:25 UTC
I'm quite disappointed in you Miss Kim. This is the exact sort of thing I'd expect from Mister Ephesianos!

But I'll give you credit, there is enough credible science behind what you're saying. That, I approve.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#6 - 2017-01-30 15:27:05 UTC
The moral of this story is that good little Protons need enough freedom to be able to accept enough energy to effect changes in state, but not so much freedom that they cease to be part of a cohesive whole.

Too much freedom is anarchy.

Would make an interesting children's tale, except that the children would have to know a lot more physics than I did at that age.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Skyweir Kinnison
Doomheim
#7 - 2017-01-30 15:36:27 UTC
On the contrary, the Universe in downtown Caille is intimate, snuggly, pretty full of a weekend and the hospitality is to die for. It's a while since I had the girls dress up as subatomic particles (sweet, sweet memories of Strange and Charm) but they have all sorts of freedom to come together, and remarkable levels of energy.

Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#8 - 2017-01-30 16:25:42 UTC
Yarosara Ruil wrote:
I'm quite disappointed in you Miss Kim. This is the exact sort of thing I'd expect from Mister Ephesianos!

But I'll give you credit, there is enough credible science behind what you're saying. That, I approve.

Oh, cmon! I can put my thoughts out coherently at least.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#9 - 2017-01-30 16:33:59 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
The moral of this story is that good little Protons need enough freedom to be able to accept enough energy to effect changes in state, but not so much freedom that they cease to be part of a cohesive whole.

Too much freedom is anarchy.

Would make an interesting children's tale, except that the children would have to know a lot more physics than I did at that age.

Freedom is anarchy, as it is the state of the system with theoretical maximal entropy (or in other words, when everything is free). And the moral that we, humans, should concentrate our efforts on building and creating and not on destroying and worshipping freedom.

Also that we shall consider those, whose sentient energy is directed towards path of freedom instead of path of creation, to be defective and in need of repair or removal from the cycle of life.

Skyweir Kinnison wrote:
but they have all sorts of freedom to come together, and remarkable levels of energy.

Freedom implies keeping things (or humans) apart, not together. Binding two particles or humans together lowers the entropy and violates freedom.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Sinti Vailatti
Angelis Exploration
#10 - 2017-01-30 16:39:04 UTC
Jev North wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
we erect huge stuff (like Mr. Tuulinen does)

I'm not sure you should be talking about Pieter's erections in a public forum.


Diana Kim wrote:
Why not? I like them.



Shocked

Did she just?


“Where must we go...we who wander this wasteland, in search of our better selves?”

Tsao Aubbes
Tidal Lock
Vapor-Lock
#11 - 2017-01-30 16:46:17 UTC
Sinti Vailatti wrote:
Jev North wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
we erect huge stuff (like Mr. Tuulinen does)

I'm not sure you should be talking about Pieter's erections in a public forum.


Diana Kim wrote:
Why not? I like them.

Shocked
Did she just?

Yes. She did just make things awkward.

Tressith Sefira > You don't understand. She IS the awkward.

Agiri Falken
Akagi Initiative
#12 - 2017-01-30 17:35:48 UTC
Tsao Aubbes wrote:
Sinti Vailatti wrote:
Jev North wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
we erect huge stuff (like Mr. Tuulinen does)

I'm not sure you should be talking about Pieter's erections in a public forum.


Diana Kim wrote:
Why not? I like them.

Shocked
Did she just?

Yes. She did just make things awkward.

Awkwaaaaaard~
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#13 - 2017-01-30 18:51:21 UTC
It is not awkward. It is beautiful and part of life.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Yarosara Ruil
#14 - 2017-01-30 20:38:00 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
It is not awkward. It is beautiful and part of life.


What a strange obsession for structural architecture everyone has lately.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#15 - 2017-01-30 21:55:46 UTC
Yarosara Ruil wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
It is not awkward. It is beautiful and part of life.


What a strange obsession for structural architecture everyone has lately.


Honestly, when the temperature gets down to minus fifty or sixty, you really need to be interested in how your house was built.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#16 - 2017-01-30 23:37:31 UTC
I don't understand science much, but from what I understand there is none of this entropy stuff in either Paradise or Hell. So whichever of those you're going to, you're going to be there forever.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2017-01-31 03:45:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Skyweir Kinnison wrote:
On the contrary, the Universe in downtown Caille is intimate, snuggly, pretty full of a weekend and the hospitality is to die for. It's a while since I had the girls dress up as subatomic particles (sweet, sweet memories of Strange and Charm) but they have all sorts of freedom to come together, and remarkable levels of energy.


This is why I avoid Caille like it's full of pox these days. It seems that my and the local's ideas of 'personal space' are irreconcilably different. Other girls in weird and unsubstantial clothing getting intimate and snuggly with me? That's just asking for the ball-and-chain to become a noose.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#18 - 2017-01-31 19:47:48 UTC
Nauplius wrote:
I don't understand science much, but from what I understand there is none of this entropy stuff in either Paradise or Hell. So whichever of those you're going to, you're going to be there forever.

There definitely is, since, according to your belief, souls actually enter it. And since they enter Paradise or Hell, the entropy of the system they enter increase.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Matias Kurovassi
Doomheim
#19 - 2017-01-31 23:35:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Matias Kurovassi
Ironically, the very act of doing Work (expending Energy) in any form increases entropy due to the laws of thermodynamics. Chemical processes, building starships, creating a building, the gravitational collapse of gas into star are all examples of visible order locally -- but they all require Work in the form of energy as any change to a system does. In so doing there is an increase in global entropy because more energy is lost through heat, radiation etc., to outside of that local system.

Your philosophical analogy doesn't work because what you're essentially saying is if you build more fridges and thus decrease the local entropy within them you will create order and reduce particle "freedom" while completely ignoring the fact that in order to do so you had to do work in the form of the mechanical pumps, heat exchanges, and power supply of that system to which all increase total entropy in the universe because as the laws of thermodynamics state more energy has to expended than was conserved.

As such your apparent misunderstanding of the laws of thermodynamics causes you to contradict yourself -- your exaltation to creation against "freedom" actually increases total freedom in the universe as total entropy increases. This is because producing order out of chaos requires a change in a system which can only be created by the expenditure of energy. The expenditure of energy is never efficient, so it always increases the amount of energy that becomes irretrievably disordered even as order is created out of the remaining energy.

This basic flaw in the premise of your philosophy I can only attribute to seeking to make the facts fit your worldview, instead of making your worldview fit the facts and evidence.
Ottom Ephesianos
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
#20 - 2017-02-01 04:11:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Ottom Ephesianos
I see you have enough freedom to philosophize yourself into this idiocy.

There is no way to cull the freedom of these molecules you eloquently describe without freezing their matter.

Innate matter (frozen matter) has yet to be found.

Innate Matter (S)-*atan.

This is due to the fact that molecules gyrate.

A slaved particle, that akin to the photon channeled through the energy turret

offer an excellent combination of range and damage when compared with projectile or hybrid turrets.

Before you imagine Light containing (S)-*atan (Innate Matter) please observe above dribble referring to photosynthesis.

Yes...the act of plants absorbing the full spectrum of Sunlight to generate protein and grow.

Less than the full spectrum of light, which can be manufactured, requires special equipment and so

polytheism.

You wince but you will not be able to make a flower grow with the above halogen.

Mushrooms...perhaps.

-ottout
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