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How feasible is a 1 man WH corp in a c1 with a hi sec static?
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Gerald Bond
Deviouz1 Industries
#1 - 2017-01-29 16:04:23 UTC
^ that

i mean, is it worth trying, or is it just doomed to fail?
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#2 - 2017-01-29 16:14:28 UTC
Very feasible. If you can use a Gila, you're perfectly capable. I'd definitely make a day one prober alt to leave in there just in case.

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Gerald Bond
Deviouz1 Industries
#3 - 2017-01-29 16:51:23 UTC
i have 3 toons on two accounts

MainAccount
Main = Orca/Porpoise/Most Caldari subcaps@V

AltAccount
Toon1 = Orca/Porpoise
Toon2= CEO living in hi-sec at HQ.

Anything specific i should look for? i've lived in WH in corps before, but never alone. think a single small POS would be sufficient? should i even consider bringing in an engineering complex(es)? i understand that theyre pretty weak defensively but that POSs are going away at some point.
Apex Bex
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#4 - 2017-01-29 21:03:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Apex Bex
If you want to try it out without over committing, look here.

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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2017-01-30 01:07:18 UTC
It's not hard. There's also little point to it tbh.

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Andrew Indy
Cleaning Crew
#6 - 2017-01-30 04:50:48 UTC
The big question is do you have friends. Being solo is fine until some one comes and shoots you Citadel/POS. As long as you can get 10+ people willing to save you you are safe from 95% of attacks. (An ex corp mate is doing the same thing and last week he got attacked, ended up having 30+ People in defense vs the 5 bashers, lets just say that they logged off after their scouts saw the fleet)

Otherwise just make sure that you make enough isk to replace the POS/Citadel.
Taurean Eltanin
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2017-01-30 07:20:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Taurean Eltanin
I'm set up in a C1 with a low sec static, and it's been great. Check out some of my recent blog posts (see sig) for a taste of what I've been doing, and how I've gone about it.

The only difference with a high sec static will be a higher number of visitors competing for your sites (which is the trade-off for having constant high sec access) , and the increased difficulty of finding an empty one (beause a lot of industrialists like that trade-off).

If you can't find 'empty' settle for 'low activity' and throw up a large POS (heavily defended) when nobody is looking. Don't risk a citadel until you are sure of your neighbors, and your wormhole.

If you like reading about low sec piracy or wormhole pvp, you might enjoy my blog.
Gerald Bond
Deviouz1 Industries
#8 - 2017-01-31 23:56:23 UTC
nope, no backup whatsoever.

i've been thinking, maybe i should just ditch the hi sec static requirement entirely. are there any that dont have a hisec and/or lowsec static? reason being to keep as low a profile as possible. nothing special that anyone else would want, no special effects, lowest number of sigs/anoms, low # of moons/planets ... yeah.
Atomic Virulent
Embargo.
#9 - 2017-02-01 01:45:21 UTC
Don't waste your time in a C1. A C2 will multiply anything you can do in a C1 exponentially.
Taurean Eltanin
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2017-02-01 11:51:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Taurean Eltanin
Gerald Bond wrote:
nope, no backup whatsoever.

i've been thinking, maybe i should just ditch the hi sec static requirement entirely. are there any that dont have a hisec and/or lowsec static? reason being to keep as low a profile as possible. nothing special that anyone else would want, no special effects, lowest number of sigs/anoms, low # of moons/planets ... yeah.


C1s always have a k-space static. So you have to chose between high, low, or null sec. All have their advantages and disadvantages.

Null sec (I'm told) is practically like being a hermit. No null sec player will bother to run your sites, because they have as good or better in k-space. You are almost completely dependent on wandering wormholes to move stuff to and from high security space.

There are only 28 C1 wormholes with this kind of static (which of course spawns only in null sec), so finding one is hard. But that's the isolation/protection you are getting with this kind of wormhole.

I've already compared high sec and low sec C1s. Keep in mind that there are 215 high sec C1s, and only 105 low sec C1s, so even though high sec systems are more popular, there are also more to go around.

Edit:

http://flight-of-dragons.blogspot.co.uk/2017/02/meta-considerations-pi-edition.html

This post is an example of why someone might chose a C1 over a C2 for solo living. If your goal is to make money in peace, a C2 is probably not what you are looking for.

If you like reading about low sec piracy or wormhole pvp, you might enjoy my blog.
Gerald Bond
Deviouz1 Industries
#11 - 2017-02-01 12:32:41 UTC
nice, ty. that is very much what i was thinking. so next step is to find a c1 with a nullsec static. PITA, but worth it i think, assuming there is an unoccupied one which, with numbers like that, seems a bit unlikely tbh. but i have time to spend finding it so then the question becomes, once i find it, what should i set up in it? i dont do PI because it makes my eyes cross. which basically leaves running sites, mining, and huffing. probably mostly mining. having said that, isnt it PI that is used to make fuel blocks? i may have to bite the bullet and do PI for that reason alone. if thats the case, how big of an operation should i expect to have to maintain to fuel my POS if i choose that route?

I'm still waffling on what kind of home to use. POS or complex? i'm thinking POS because of its mobility and versatility, but theyre going away at some point, and since i'll be doing primarily mining, im thinking a complex with a compression array and a reprocessing array might be the way to go. but exactly how easy is it to **** a raitaru? if i'm in a crap backwater WH that no one else particularly wants, would a raitaru entice people to stick around more than a POS?

also, i've read some conflicting stuff, it seems as though having an Orca in Jspace is a bad thing, but, the ability to pack up your pos while youre logged off to save fuel is very attractive. if i jump my orca into the desired hole, i should be able to carry everything i need to store without issue and for relatively cheap. basically, log in, power up the POS and anchor the compression array, go mine in one of the 20+ ventures i can store in the maint bay, compress my ore, pack up the array, and log out. rinse/repeat until until the fleet hangar and ore hold is full (should take at least a month at the rate i play) before i would need to make a trip to hisec. but having a full orca ore hold and fleet hangar of compressed arkonor should be pretty lucrative i would think. and if i can make a single trip per month, that should limit my exposure too, at least some degree.

but there is SO much stuff that im sure im just not even thinking about.
Taurean Eltanin
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2017-02-01 13:35:08 UTC
Well, here's what I'd do.

Get one of your alts to fit an interceptor for travel and cloaked scanning. Jump through null sec, looking for a C1 that you like. When you find one, get your alt into the system and log off.

Every day, log in with your alt and look for new signatures. At some point, you will have a direct high sec connection. In my experience, that happens at least once a week, particularly on weekends (because people are rolling wormholes so much more at that time). That's when you move in. Just make sure that you have everything ready to go.

You're going to start with a large POS. This is because it only takes an hour to online while still being quite hard to take down, and null sec is full of groups who can easily bash an onlining citadel, or a smaller POS. So although you might set up a citadel later, you are going to want to wait until your static is connected to a very quiet part of null sec - a working knowledge of null geo politics will be helpful here.

Once your POS is up and armed, you are ready to start making money.

I'd suggest you learn to love PI, because it's worth up to 3 billion ISK per month across three characters with decent skills. And yes, you can make POS fuel with PI, but you will also need to mine ice to do so. Your access to ice will be unreliable, so you are probably better off just using the PI to make money and buy your fuel as you need it.

You'll farm your C1, of course, but the real money for you is going to be in null sec. Whether it's ratting , mining or running exploration sites, you'll actually make more money in quiet null systems than you will in C1 space. You'll also be able to take advantage of higher class w-space via wandering wormholes.

For a non-industrialist, null statics will easily be the most profitable C1s, if that is your focus.

My advice would be to cover the basics, and not to worry about getting everything perfect right away. Experience will teach you what you want and need much faster than anything else.

If you like reading about low sec piracy or wormhole pvp, you might enjoy my blog.
Andrew Indy
Cleaning Crew
#13 - 2017-02-03 01:40:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Andrew Indy
Gerald Bond wrote:

also, i've read some conflicting stuff, it seems as though having an Orca in Jspace is a bad thing


If i'm not mistaken you cant fit a Orca in a C1. Its BC max.

Orca's are nice but they are pretty slow. Personal I like them for moving in and out of a WH but not so much for general living.

if you want to move Compressed Ore you can use a Miasmos or a T2 industrial (depending on Value/route), If its more than a few jumps you might find that a Industrial is faster anyway (less Mass on your WH if its not a C1).

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having said that, isnt it PI that is used to make fuel blocks?


Yes but as Taurean Eltanin mentioned you need ice which (unless you mine in NS its pretty hard to come by in WH space (shattered WHs have it ).

Also as a side note I believe that the ice volume required to make blocks is about as large as the volume of the blocks created so you don't save any space. it is however a huge source of income after the initial setup which is a PITA (maybe do P0-P2 per planet with a 7 day cycle for minimum interaction).

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You're going to start with a large POS.


Large POS are good however they cost a tonne to Fuel per month (500mil+ ISK per month), That's a fair amount of mining in a venture. (~39hours mining Ark with a max Venture with no boosts)

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but exactly how easy is it to **** a raitaru?

With no backup, very very easy. Its staying in the WH for 2+ Days thats a pain. Minimum DPS is like ~600 (must account for 20% resistances) and with 6000 (6 Orcales) you can kill each layer in like 20 minutes

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power up the POS and anchor the compression array, go mine in one of the 20+ ventures i can store in the maint bay,


Ventures are not the best use of your time unless you want to gas (C1 gas is rubbish), a Retriever will mine 3X More for very little extra investment.
Bussan
Kabukicho
#14 - 2017-02-14 03:35:20 UTC
For sure safest place would be a c1 with null static, indeed...
Just use an EC/citadel, farm the connected null when it's a quiet one, and stay in your wh when it's a busy one...
Use retrievers to mine, if you want... do it on null first, and in your wh when cannot use the null.
Ventures for gas... it's not much money at all, but it all adds up.
Ships to probe... alway keep one alt that can probe, logged out in some safe away from your "home".
Ships to do relic/data sites... they are quite profitable.

And because of the logistic problems in that kind of wh, better an EC over a pos.... you can still use them even without fuel... just keep stocking up ores for some months... then turn on the compression array, and compress it all at once, then turn it off again.

Use cheap ships/fits to do anoms...

And do PI, if possible... can make good momey. :)
Alice Wonders
Acadia Investment Group
#15 - 2017-02-23 02:03:52 UTC
I've had a couple PI alts and an explorer alt live out of a C1 w/ HS static for a couple years. It's been a successful and profitable enterprise. I have no overhead costs as they all live in space, logged at safes. No POS, no citadels. I have nothing to evict, and no trace that I exist except for the moments when they are logged in.

Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#16 - 2017-02-23 05:05:25 UTC
A couple of thoughts:
1: You are going to need to keep a basically skilled Probing Alt in a probing frigate logged off at a safespot in your hole. NOT in your CItadel or POS. The reason for this is that you will always have an alt in the hole that can find your entrance should it collapse on you because of *reasons*.

2: WH living is great fun, it's more fun and a lot safer with a few friends. My WH corp is now in our fourth wormhole. We started with C2s with HS and C4 statics with various system effects and PI access. We're currently in a C4 Magnetar with C3/C5 statics.

3: You'll want a character on both accounts that can safely roll your static. If your main is a pirate like mine, rolling a HiSec static becomes a somewhat risky proposition. Using multiple characters to roll statics also speeds up the process. With three accounts, I can roll out both my statics in well under 10 minutes.

4: Pay careful attention to the size of the system you're considering. A 140AU system means a lot of time warping around in Epithals and it also means a lot of space in the system for signatures to spawn that are off D-Scan. My C4 is small enough that I can D-Scan the entire system from my citadel undock.

5: If you're planning on doing some PI in there, pay careful attention to the radius of your planets.

6: Friends really do make WH living a lot easier. Even only one or two makes a big difference in the security of your system. An active hole is a safe hole. That said, unless you really upset someone, very few people will bother mounting an eviction in a C1-3.

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Kiven Foster
Holy Hunters
H O L Y H U N T E R S
#17 - 2017-03-17 05:27:25 UTC
Whenever someone tries to evict you,just be ready call for friends to not get evicted if it happens one day.
Loutro Fift
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#18 - 2017-03-31 04:20:36 UTC
Alice Wonders wrote:
I've had a couple PI alts and an explorer alt live out of a C1 w/ HS static for a couple years. It's been a successful and profitable enterprise. I have no overhead costs as they all live in space, logged at safes. No POS, no citadels. I have nothing to evict, and no trace that I exist except for the moments when they are logged in.



Where or how do you store you pi products til you take them to market?
erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#19 - 2017-03-31 07:18:54 UTC
Loutro Fift wrote:
Alice Wonders wrote:
w/ HS static



Where or how do you store you pi products til you take them to market?


Answer in bold...

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Zarek Kree
Lunatic Legion Holdings
#20 - 2017-04-02 16:15:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Zarek Kree
Definitely doable. I ran a single character wormhole corp in a C3 without any issues. A few recommendations:

1. I'd actually recommend a lowsec static. It gets far less traffic than a highsec static but is easier to get in and out of than a nullsec static. I'd have ripped my hair out if my first wormhole had a nullsec static because I was making so many runs to k-space as I learned what I needed to keep with me. My second hole had a nullsec static though because I was over the learning hump.

2. Definitely start with a POS - I found a medium to be a good compromise. If you want to upgrade to a citadel later, you'll need a POS base of operations to assist in getting it anchored (even as a single character).

3. I understand you're primarily interested in mining, but if you're there anyway, you should bring a ship capable of running combat sites since that's where the real isk is. A Gila is a great choice in a C1 or C2 (even up to a C3 - but at that point a Rattlesnake or a Tengu becomes a better option).

4. Operating out of an Orca is extremely viable. But you'll have to move up to a C2 or C3 to get it in there.

5. Don't worry about building fuel blocks. Unless you're ice mining in a k-space system somewhere, it costs almost as much to buy the necessary ice products as it does to buy the fuel blocks themselves. The biggest advantage to building your own is that it reduces the volume of products you have to transport into your system.

In the end, you just have to go do it. I'm convinced that you can't go wrong with a moderate approach to the entire endeavor when you first start out - which means lowsec static with a medium POS. Look at your first hole as a learning experience before moving to your "forever hole". Figure out your preferences in terms of wormhole class, statics and activities and apply it after you've gotten over the initial learning hump.

Solo wormhole living is hard enough as it is - make it easier on yourself where you can until you get it figured out.
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