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Yebo Lakatosh
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2017-02-01 11:52:36 UTC
Akaro Tripar wrote:
Well then ccp is forced to DO THEIR JOB and CONTROL the market and don't push this to the players.....

I'm sorry, but one of the main selling points of the game was the 'player driven economy' for me. Just after the 'constant danger' and 'possibility of great losses'.

Elite F1 pilot since YC119, incarnate of honor, integrity and tidi.
Malcorath Sacerdos
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2017-02-01 12:00:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcorath Sacerdos
Akaro Tripar wrote:
[quote=Malcorath Sacerdos][quote=Akaro Tripar]

Yes it would be another EVE...but a better for everyone....


no it would be better for the risk averce trammelites in npc corporations, for the guys who came to eve for the sandbox rpq with real lasting ingame consequenses it would be a lesser game it would be the introduction of trammel in Sosaria all over again.

yes the trammelites are loyal yes they are dedicated and they are proletysing their non violence religion to as many mmorpg´s then can .. go try out UO (dont leve eve id want you here even if we disagree on this) you will see what i meen try out DDO ( an even lesser game then UO but then again it was made with no world pvp and no non concentual pvp in mind unlike UO) try as many mmorpgs as you can you will see that the ones you like the most (like eve) will be made with non consentual pvp in mind...
Akaro Tripar
Doomheim
#43 - 2017-02-01 12:37:37 UTC
Malcorath Sacerdos wrote:
Akaro Tripar wrote:
[quote=Malcorath Sacerdos][quote=Akaro Tripar]

Yes it would be another EVE...but a better for everyone....


no it would be better for the risk averce trammelites in npc corporations, for the guys who came to eve for the sandbox rpq with real lasting ingame consequenses it would be a lesser game it would be the introduction of trammel in Sosaria all over again.

yes the trammelites are loyal yes they are dedicated and they are proletysing their non violence religion to as many mmorpg´s then can .. go try out UO (dont leve eve id want you here even if we disagree on this) you will see what i meen try out DDO ( an even lesser game then UO but then again it was made with no world pvp and no non concentual pvp in mind unlike UO) try as many mmorpgs as you can you will see that the ones you like the most (like eve) will be made with non consentual pvp in mind...


Another one singing the "EVE has not to be changend,because EVE is a PVP game and it has not to be changend because we did it this way for 13 years now" mantra....

Becoming a modern game?

NO WAY!

We are better than everyone......and don't care about a changed mmog market out there....

And beside....I (as PVP/gank player) would loose my neck of the woods.....this could not be....
Yebo Lakatosh
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2017-02-01 12:49:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Yebo Lakatosh
Akaro Tripar wrote:
Another one singing the "EVE has not to be changend,because EVE is a PVP game and it has not to be changend because we did it this way for 13 years now" mantra....

Becoming a modern game?

From another perspective... Many gamers could suggest you 100-1000 multiplayer games that work exactly the way you want EvE to be (the number mainly depending on how many games they tried). On the other hand, a very knowledgable gamer maybe could list three multiplayer games where constant danger of losing much progress is a thing.

A cynic who enjoys one of those three would say to you to please move to one of the other 1000 options that are exactly like you want this particular one to be. But it would be a lot nicer to suggest you to -try- enjoying that very unique setup, because you have zero~ish chance of encountering anything like this again (and if you did, you'd probably wouldn't enjoy them, as they are like EvE, just even harsher and less forgiving).

Elite F1 pilot since YC119, incarnate of honor, integrity and tidi.
Malcorath Sacerdos
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#45 - 2017-02-01 13:57:36 UTC
Quote:

From another perspective... Many gamers could suggest you 100-1000 multiplayer games that work exactly the way you want EvE to be (the number mainly depending on how many games they tried). On the other hand, a very knowledgable gamer maybe could list three multiplayer games where constant danger of losing much progress is a thing.

A cynic who enjoys one of those three would say to you to please move to one of the other 1000 options that are exactly like you want this particular one to be. But it would be a lot nicer to suggest you to -try- enjoying that very unique setup, because you have zero~ish chance of encountering anything like this again (and if you did, you'd probably wouldn't enjoy them, as they are like EvE, just even harsher and less forgiving).



this so much this. im just to polit to say HTFU and GO back to (take your pick of 100% safe MMO)

old UO EvE and the other niche sandbox open pvp MMORPG´s out there are slowly becoming extingt. so yea your ideas are the polar oposite of what us old farts fell in love with in old style MMORPG´s if you want a Modern themepark safe space to goof around and to collect achievments and farm you stuff to build your dollhouse... pls go else where. i prefer a game where there is a risk i get my perfect sand caslt kicked over. where there is a reason (other then to get those shiny purplez that will be totally obsolete the next expantion) to group up form clans (corporations in eve fyi) for instance mutual protection aganst the Dewds and PK´s ( read pirates gankers and fully legit corps who just want your resourses) it is this dynamic that is EVE .. it is just a luck of the draw that eve isnt an avatar based fantasy MMO rpg since many of the devs where old UO players.... (cause now i have the chance to make that game moahahahaha) so yes the guy who wrote that up there is 100% correct

this is not for the faint of heart this is eve and in eve the epic loot is ganker and greifer tears.... so gang up form up and make your own safety be it in HS LS NULL och WH ..
Cookie
Snakeoil Industries Ltd.
#46 - 2017-02-01 14:22:36 UTC
Akaro Tripar wrote:
(...)

The gankers disturb MY game and that's all that counts....
I don't care about THEIR game,it simply does not interest me....

(...)


Sounds rather selfish.
What about the other people (it's a MMO after all) ?
Ever thought that THEY probably feel disturbed by you ?
Or they don't care about YOUR game ?

Demanding something but not granting others the same is pretty egoistic (might even call it disgusting).
Salvos Rhoska
#47 - 2017-02-01 14:32:49 UTC
CODE exploits a loophole in HS mechanics.

However, unless CCP changes rules, it is valid.

Deal with it.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#48 - 2017-02-01 14:37:32 UTC
Hazel TuckerTS
Doomheim
#49 - 2017-02-01 17:38:08 UTC
See below...

kiss kiss bang bang
Dark Lord Trump
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#50 - 2017-02-01 20:10:52 UTC
Akaro Tripar wrote:
I don't care about those tiny explantions "why ganking is good for the game".....

I've heard them all and i give a dam.....

PVP ist still possible if you have to ACCEPT it first like done in the duel option...the software code is there just a slight change has to be made...

All this gibbering about "EVE is a pvp game and would change to the core if something is done against ganking(not pvp,hear what i say this is just about ganking in highsec)" is pure nonsense.

The gankers disturb MY game and that's all that counts....
I don't care about THEIR game,it simply does not interest me....

And yes..this is the same gibbering THEY do every time an anti gank wall is discussed whereever....

PVE: "i want to fly safe"
PVP: "That's impossible,MY game would be changed to the core"
PVE: "but you can do......
PVP: "Impossible,EVE is a PVP game"
PVE: "but....
PVP: "Impossible,that is MY game,go away carebear"

This is how a "discussion" about this theme goes....

Change is bad.....

The issue is that under the current system the careers of "miner" and "ganker" both exist. You seem to want to change things so that only the career of "miner" exists. I see no reason why either playstyle is any less valid than the other. In EvE, you are not safe anywhere by design. There are plenty of counters to gankers, so why not spend your time looking those up instead of whining?

I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
Vanessa Celtis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2017-02-01 22:41:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Vanessa Celtis
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
CODE exploits a loophole in HS mechanics.

However, unless CCP changes rules, it is valid.

Deal with it.



That is absolutely correct and the most clever thing I have heard since I play this game. As for the market drivers, those who think it is player driven, they need to go back to school. CCP is controling the market from behind the scene. How and from where do you think all those loots come from in the first place when dropped in null sec ?... from CCP pseudo random generation software.

And regarding production, duh !
Akaro Tripar
Doomheim
#52 - 2017-02-02 02:11:32 UTC
Cookie wrote:
Akaro Tripar wrote:
(...)

The gankers disturb MY game and that's all that counts....
I don't care about THEIR game,it simply does not interest me....

(...)


Sounds rather selfish.
What about the other people (it's a MMO after all) ?
Ever thought that THEY probably feel disturbed by you ?
Or they don't care about YOUR game ?

Demanding something but not granting others the same is pretty egoistic (might even call it disgusting).


THEY don't care about MY game either so why should i care about theirs?

THEY don't leave me alone so I have to back off?

You are really complaining about ME giving THEM no space?

Really...? i mean Really???

Don't you even see how wrong you are in this?
Aaron
Eternal Frontier
#53 - 2017-02-02 03:19:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Aaron
Good story OP, and nice outcome.

You adapted to your environment and stood your ground which is a big part of what Eve is about. Welcome to level 2.

Some general advice, keep using this adapting method in everything you do and you can become a great Eve player. I can strongly relate to doing research and training skills on how to overcome aggressors. Get yourself out to sov or npc 0.0 maybe join a wormhole corp, have a look at what's happening out there and simply adapt.

have a great game man.

Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#54 - 2017-02-02 13:36:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Galaxy Pig
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
CODE exploits a loophole in HS mechanics.

However, unless CCP changes rules, it is valid.

Deal with it.



It's crazy to me that some carebears honestly think that the devs designed Highsec and CONCORD and honestly didn't consider the obvious consequences of the system.

Welcome to EVE Online, where griefing isn't a bug, it's a feature. Blink

Highsec is owned by players now. Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory. All miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code. Mining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com
Lone Gunman
Forhotea Corporation
#55 - 2017-02-02 14:22:13 UTC
Yes, thank you CODE, after 13 years I am only paying for one account now instead of five. How many others are like me?
Salvos Rhoska
#56 - 2017-02-02 15:38:20 UTC
Galaxy Pig wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
CODE exploits a loophole in HS mechanics.

However, unless CCP changes rules, it is valid.

Deal with it.



It's crazy to me that some carebears honestly think that the devs designed Highsec and CONCORD and honestly didn't consider the obvious consequences of the system.

Welcome to EVE Online, where griefing isn't a bug, it's a feature. Blink


I have no issue with CODE itself.

Their impact is negligible anyways, and if nothing else, helps disrupt the unthinkable free/safe transit of material in EVE.

My only concern with CODE, is that it also comprises some associations by proxy, to players that have taken griefing too far.
The Bonus Room crap was utter cancer.

Blow up all the miners and freighters you want, but never, ever, try to attack the person involved, especially not by holding their ingame assets hostage so as to extricate them from the games systems.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#57 - 2017-02-02 18:01:09 UTC
Oh yummy, tears over Ero! Haven't had those in a while..

Highsec is owned by players now. Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory. All miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code. Mining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#58 - 2017-02-02 18:23:54 UTC
Dark Lord Trump
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#59 - 2017-02-02 18:25:55 UTC
Akaro Tripar wrote:
Cookie wrote:
Akaro Tripar wrote:
(...)

The gankers disturb MY game and that's all that counts....
I don't care about THEIR game,it simply does not interest me....

(...)


Sounds rather selfish.
What about the other people (it's a MMO after all) ?
Ever thought that THEY probably feel disturbed by you ?
Or they don't care about YOUR game ?

Demanding something but not granting others the same is pretty egoistic (might even call it disgusting).


THEY don't care about MY game either so why should i care about theirs?

THEY don't leave me alone so I have to back off?

You are really complaining about ME giving THEM no space?

Really...? i mean Really???

Don't you even see how wrong you are in this?

They have just as much right to gank you as you do to mine. Nowhere is safe in New Eden by design. Don't want to be ganked? Get good.

I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#60 - 2017-02-02 18:26:37 UTC
Akaro Tripar wrote:
Cookie wrote:
Akaro Tripar wrote:
(...)

The gankers disturb MY game and that's all that counts....
I don't care about THEIR game,it simply does not interest me....

(...)


Sounds rather selfish.
What about the other people (it's a MMO after all) ?
Ever thought that THEY probably feel disturbed by you ?
Or they don't care about YOUR game ?

Demanding something but not granting others the same is pretty egoistic (might even call it disgusting).


THEY don't care about MY game either so why should i care about theirs?

THEY don't leave me alone so I have to back off?

You are really complaining about ME giving THEM no space?

Really...? i mean Really???

I don't think he's just referring to the gankers. Don't forget there are other parties that would be negatively impacted by your ideals such as your competitors and people who simply like f%&king with gankers.

I find it odd you've joined a PvP sandbox MMO and now complain that it's a PvP sandbox MMO. It's akin to buying a racing game but complaining it should be an RTS. Surely you're better off playing one of the hundreds, if not thousands of other MMOs that don't offer the PvP sandbox.

"Playing an MMO by yourself is like masturbating in the middle of an orgy." -Jonah Gravenstein