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Jovan Geldon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2011-12-28 03:03:09 UTC
5 years ago, I used to put squash into empty Coke bottles and take it to school. It was obviously a blatant misrepresentation of my product when Shannon McConnor bought one off me one day for 25p. Perhaps you should track her down and put a joint case together, I think she lives in Ireland now but I can't be sure.
Scarlet Loveless
White Mango
#42 - 2011-12-28 04:48:25 UTC
Issue here is more so lack of CCP giving proper guidance in using a trade system such as this. Scams like these work not because of stupidity or greed on a buyers part as so many suggest but the fact that this system is not consistent. Every single other MMORPG out there does not allow such things as well as many non-MMORPG's that allow trading of items.

This scam is made possible by this fact and this fact alone. New players believe that trade works in EvE as it does everywhere else and thus assume that the trade window represents what is being traded.

A simple pop up that reads.

WARNING, NAMES ON ITEMS IN TRADE WINDOW CAN BE CHANGED TO MISREAPRESENT WHAT ITEMS ARE BEING TRADED.

Would end these scams. Its kind of a crap move on the part of CCP as is leave new players vulnerable to such scams which no veteran familiar with the differences in the way EvE functions would ever fall for.

Be advised there are a lot of different scams even on the market. One of which involves placing buy orders that can't be filled getting those unfamiliar with the market system to purchase large volumes of items to resell. So if you plan to buy low sell high watch for that.
seany1212
M Y S T
#43 - 2011-12-28 10:21:04 UTC
Scarlet Loveless wrote:

WARNING, NAMES ON ITEMS IN TRADE WINDOW CAN BE CHANGED TO MISREAPRESENT WHAT ITEMS ARE BEING TRADED.

Would end these scams. Its kind of a crap move on the part of CCP as is leave new players vulnerable to such scams which no veteran familiar with the differences in the way EvE functions would ever fall for.


You must be knew here. New players and veteran's fall for it all the same, and then how do you class someone a veteran? By age of there character? As character trading makes it m00t. You need to learn one simple fact; CCP condone scamming... The game is not poorly designed, it wouldn't have 8 and a half years of success behind it if it was, its that It's based upon a cut-throat world where you can get scammed, shot and stolen from. Accept it and start actually playing the game
GhostDragoon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#44 - 2011-12-28 19:32:26 UTC
Vissari Nolen wrote:
Percival Gates wrote:
Don't use the trade window. Use contracts. General rule of thumb: if it involves the trade window, it is a scam. Also, if it is that easy to make isk from, it is a scam.

Now, I know you are going to say "no, you dolt, that is not the issue here. The issue is that the trade window UI is poorly designed grrrrrrr." You are exactly right. So do yourself a favor and never use it again unless you are trading stuff between your own characters. Even then, use extreme caution. Scamming is part of the game. Lesson learned. And no, CCP will probably do nothing to change it.


the general purpose of this post was to let let people know about some obviously messed up things with the trade menu. i personally will never use it again. but a game that has a system you should never use for fear of getting scammed shouldn't have the system in the first place. either fix it or remove it. don't leave it there for people to take advantage of.



We already know these things. It seems you are one of the last few truly idiotic people left in eve. You even admit to knowing it is fishy and still gave that guy all your isk. I say good on him :) Next time learn to right click & show info, or as stated above, use contracts, etc. Stop blaming CCP for your own shortcomings and laziness. Next time actually look at the info on what you "think" you are getting.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#45 - 2011-12-28 21:13:11 UTC
Vissari Nolen wrote:
of course i made a mistake, there were ways to verify the information. but unfortunately i made the reasonable assumption and apparent mistake of trusting CCP to design a trade window that would display accurate information. i don't see a problem with making that assumption either.


It shows the actual ICONS of what is being traded. Accurate as all get-out.

REALLY not sure still WHAT the complaint is here. Never heard of such a thing about the Freaking Trade window. PUH-leaze.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#46 - 2011-12-28 21:15:58 UTC
This has to be a joke.

OP is getting me angry.....acting like a freshly ganked Noob Miner actually crying on Local or QQ Mail.

So you made a mistake and learned a lesson in how to be careful when trading with ANY unknown players or even Contract.

God help us when you screw up one of those.................Roll

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#47 - 2011-12-28 21:45:53 UTC
ITT: Scrub can't differentiate between navy ship and regular ship icons. feels bitter. stay tuned for more.
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#48 - 2011-12-28 21:47:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Mutnin
This topic is proof that C&P is filled with noobs. I don't mean the OP either.. Well done OP, well done..

...oh wait I mean silly noob how can anyone fall for that scam.. (ok you should get another 3 pages)
Zag'mar Jurkar
Les chevaliers de l'ordre
Goonswarm Federation
#49 - 2011-12-28 22:05:09 UTC
Vissari Nolen wrote:
i really fail to see how a trade window that is able to blatantly misrepresent items and essentially LIE to those using it is my fault. at all. of course there were ways to verify that it was the right ship, such as skin tags and show info. but it should not have been necessary for me to do any of those things in the first place and i did not think to do them based on the assumption that the trade window would display accurate information in the first place. i don't think that is unreasonable.


Fix here:
Vissari Nolen wrote:
I want CCP to make stuff require as few effort as possible.
Rakk Andedare
The Iron Asylum
#50 - 2011-12-28 23:25:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Rakk Andedare
You know, this is what makes EvE, EvE. That dark element where no matter where you turn, someone is trying to stuff a pineapple up your #^$, be it on the market, out in your pixel ship or even in the trade window. If you want something that is "fair" and makes you feel all "warm and fuzzy" when you play, might I suggest Wizard 101? Let the big kids play the big kid games and you can go play with the kindergartners? Besides, CCP makes it clear with the icons what kind of item it is. If you cant be bothered to pay attention to that, then its your own problem isn't it.
fuer0n
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#51 - 2011-12-29 00:14:49 UTC  |  Edited by: fuer0n
Darius III wrote:
Working as intended. The ships don't even have the same skins. You are the problem... Next time right click show info. Welcome to Eve.

Protip>Don't read Jita local until you been playing 4 years



check your facts, i think you'll find that when you right click info it will come up with navy vexor and navy domi infos ;)

op dont ever buy a ship in trade window if it's not packaged, they will tell you anything so they dont repackage it- it's rigged cant/wont repackage it will lower it's value etc. also navy ships have a green triangle in to top corner of the picture.
Princess Bride
SharkNado
#52 - 2011-12-29 01:05:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Princess Bride
Scarlet Loveless wrote:
Issue here is more so lack of CCP giving proper guidance in using a trade system such as this. Scams like these work not because of stupidity or greed on a buyers part as so many suggest but the fact that this system is not consistent. Every single other MMORPG out there does not allow such things as well as many non-MMORPG's that allow trading of items.

This scam is made possible by this fact and this fact alone. New players believe that trade works in EvE as it does everywhere else and thus assume that the trade window represents what is being traded.

A simple pop up that reads.

WARNING, NAMES ON ITEMS IN TRADE WINDOW CAN BE CHANGED TO MISREAPRESENT WHAT ITEMS ARE BEING TRADED.

Would end these scams. Its kind of a crap move on the part of CCP as is leave new players vulnerable to such scams which no veteran familiar with the differences in the way EvE functions would ever fall for.

Be advised there are a lot of different scams even on the market. One of which involves placing buy orders that can't be filled getting those unfamiliar with the market system to purchase large volumes of items to resell. So if you plan to buy low sell high watch for that.


You've got to be American. Their solution for everything seems to be to slap a warning sticker on it. CCP already slapped faction tags on all of the legit faction items in an attempt to reduce confusion. They also slapped a big pop-up warning before you jump into low-sec. Has either of these changes saved stupid people from themselves on Eve? No. Is that a bad thing? No.

BTW I think your toon's chest MISREAPRESENTS worse than trade window scammers. Lol

http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/
Smiley Smile
GSF Logistics and Posting Reserves
Goonswarm Federation
#53 - 2011-12-30 02:10:11 UTC
Who would trade with someone named Tyrone Bigams?
Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards
#54 - 2011-12-30 06:32:31 UTC
Princess Bride wrote:
You've got to be American.


Hey, wait a minute, I'm American. Sad

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Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#55 - 2011-12-30 16:50:23 UTC
fuer0n wrote:
check your facts, i think you'll find that when you right click info it will come up with navy vexor and navy domi infos ;)

op dont ever buy a ship in trade window if it's not packaged, they will tell you anything so they dont repackage it- it's rigged cant/wont repackage it will lower it's value etc. also navy ships have a green triangle in to top corner of the picture.


Welcome New Player!

Two Things-
First, don't ever question the honor of D3 again.

Second, its a white circle with a green background.. no idea where you thought a triangle came from.

Third, if she would have done a 'Show Info' on it, aside from not noticing the regular texture on the ships, she would have seen what the ship actually was, not the ship name.

Finally, if you can't visually tell the difference between a regular ship and a navy version, you probably shouldn't be flying one anyway.
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#56 - 2011-12-30 17:14:51 UTC
I made a diagram showing how dumb you have to be to fall for this obvious trick.

http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/ladyspank/urdumb.jpg

It does NOT need to be nerfed, eve is a cold harsh place and if you are too thick to know what you are buying FROM A STRANGER SELLING IN LOCAL OF ALL PLACES then you deserve to lose your money. It's not as if you weren't given the opportunity to spend 5 seconds checking info.

a step by step guide to where you went wrong:

1. you initiated trade with someone spamming local
2. you failed to note the lack of a faction icon
3. you failed to know how assembled ships show in hangers and other windows, WITH THEIR NAME UNDER THEM.
4. you failed to right click > show info and actually read anything more than the ships name which, again, you ought to know shows up on the show info window at the top.
5. you expect CCP to fix stupid. People like you are hell bent on ruining the creative nature of Eve gameplay.

(ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)
Rakk Andedare
The Iron Asylum
#57 - 2011-12-30 17:28:12 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
I made a diagram showing how dumb you have to be to fall for this obvious trick.

http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/ladyspank/urdumb.jpg



Thats awsome Big smile
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#58 - 2011-12-30 23:31:03 UTC
P3ROXIDE wrote:
I have a charon for sale for only 600 million isk. Just open a trade window with me and make sure you accept it quickly.


I have a Rhea for sale for 2 billion isk. I'm moving to nullsex and have no need for it anymore. Roll

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
GhostDragoon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#59 - 2012-01-02 16:23:16 UTC  |  Edited by: GhostDragoon
Nathan Jameson wrote:
Princess Bride wrote:
You've got to be American.


Hey, wait a minute, I'm American. Sad


As am I. Not every idiot in the world is from the USA, and not every American is an idiot.

Lady Spank wrote:
I made a diagram showing how dumb you have to be to fall for this obvious trick.

http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/ladyspank/urdumb.jpg



Ups to Spank for that one. Good diagram +1
ImGoingToStealFomUrCorp
Doomheim
#60 - 2012-01-02 22:14:58 UTC
Thank you! I have always been wondering how this scam worked. I thought any sane person would right-click > show info. I'll make sure not to abuse this money prin... scam too much.