EVE General Discussion

That and that the SP are no longer only obtainable by time but could theoretically be purchased if needed. So you don't really lose something if your sub lapses.

Yeah it would be interesting if this actually worked out or if it was all one big idiotic move driven by the fear of some aging upper management to miss the boat on some over-hyped business model.

Yes, it is absolutely clear to me how all of this works. It is still a difference if something can possibly be purchased no matter how inflated the price is or if it is only obtainable by the amount of time you are subbed. It does not depend on the amount you get for the ISK, just the psychological effect of the possibility is enough to make the difference.

Adding new regular missions does not lead to 'oversupply' and such stuff. You simply do this mission or another one.
New anomalies made 'similar to already existing ones' won't hurt at all.
HS rogue drone signatures are dead because of alloys.

It can lead to supply/value of items specific to LP stores or mission type, making others less valuable.
I dont think we need more anomalies. There is already a wide and comprehensive range.
We could perhaps use more Sig sites, which require probing, as opposed to "free" anomalies.
HS drone signatures are dead due to the rarity of SoE drops, and yes, cos alloys are largely worthless.

Daytripping to WHs are mostly PvP activity. You can prepare to kill sleepers but most of all you should prepare to deal with players. I would not call it "PVE".

WHs constitute PvE Dungeons, with changing access points, environmental effects, with other players within it.
All content in WHs constitutes PvE. Sleeper, Data/Relic and Resource/Ghost/Combat Sig site and anomalies there are all PvE. That someone may attack you while doing them, does not change that.
It merely means someone forces you into PvP, whilst pursuing your PvE activities (which is also true of ALL of EVE sectors).

Standings are mostly dead these days too. Actually i cannot give examples of what good standings with NPC corps/factions do these days

Iirc Standings affect mission agent access, refinery tax and broker fees. Iirc, at -5, faction navies will attack you. Also gates access to faction epic arcs.
Its not much, but its something.
LP>isk>drops>salvage are largely the impetus for running Missions.
My personal view is that CCP may be looking into making Standings more significant in how NPCs react to players.

Take note that most of these have pretty limited time to complete (Escalations need to be finished in 24 hours for example, most missions won't wait you to return from 2 week-long vacation).

The deadline is not the issue. The point is they are multi-tiered PvE activities that are completed in increments.
SoE, COSMO and other story arcs have lax completion times, and require extended incremental efforts to complete.
As I said before, I have no issue with more long story arch PvE systems, provided they dont unduly influence the market.

As I also said, industry/trade and PvE combat capacity progression constitutes an incremental advancement that takes many hours. To set-up a PI empire takes a great deal of micromanagement. To setup a successful trade empire requires accumalation of capital over an extended period. All forms of industry require gradual and incremental improvement of ones process, so as to take on larger and more expensive projects. PvE combat requires skilling into specific hulls inorder to advance to more lucrative options.

There is a very real PvE endgame in EVE, in many forms. To have a PI empire in lucrative space with many characters and efficient systems. To be able to build the most of what is lucrative, or the largest/expensive of all. To become a multibillionaire trader that becomes a banker/investor. To rat in a Capital ship or Titan.These and many more variations.

Hopefully it's a bug reduction cycle and cleaning up various other things in game before adding more bug ridden stuff.

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They don't compare in the slightest. Orakkus is correct.

Also, TiDi with 20 in system is totally possible and not a problem. Why would this be an issue that needs fixing?

-1) Add regularly more dungeons (get in, perform task, get reward)
I have nothing against this, in principle. However this can lead to item supply imbalances, and the abandonment of other PvE dungeons as obsolete (thus wasting the effort of their implementation (for example HS Drone Combat Signature sites are complete crap)). CCP also runs occasional PvE oriented events and limited duration dungeon systems (such as the Blood Harvest).

Noteably, daytripping into WHs also constitutes the form of a dungeon, albeit one beset with other players, that you enter with only with what you have. Get in, perform your task, take reward, get out. Arguably activities anywhere that are not secured, is a dungeon. There are untold riches there, but there may also be competitors for the same PvE content.

-2) Allow dedicated players access NPCs and obtain advantages specific and exclusive to die hard PvErs.
These currently exist as LP rewards/stores and the Standing boosts.
Heuristically, or "intuitively", if you prefer, CCP seems to be following a direction of more NPC dynamics as with mining fleets. I expect there will be more, especially regarding the importance of standing in how the NPC environment reacts to player action.

-3) Add long-term PvE tasks which require many hours to complete but can be completed in short incremental batches of gameplay
These currently exist as Escalations, Expeditions and the various storyline quests, such as COSMO and SOE.
Sure, why not add more, considering however the caveats in point 1.

Iirc, NPC Mssions also escalate into a storyline mission with special rewards after completing a set number (was it every tenth?), thus requiring you to grind incrementally through the others to get to that.

The essentially PvE careers of research, manufacture and PI (and trading) also constitute this, as requiring many hours, but the progression of value is achieved incrementally. If you are sourcing your own materials, that too takes hours of incremental playtime.

-4) Add purely cosmethic indestructable structures without effects on other players, either as rewards for PvE, Microtransactions or The Grind
Can you elaborate on some examples of what you mean as "cosmetic indestructible structures"?

-5) As general direction, don't remove the existing PvE content, just build on top or beside of it
I dont see that this general direction has been violated. What PvE content was removed? The hacking can loot minigame? I think Ghost sites where removed from HS during my absence (can anyone confirm?). This was detrimental to my profits and made my dedicated hull useless for that, but Im not all that mad. I just focused on other tasks instead.

-6) As general direction, if PvP provides a reward for a new opportunity, a similarly valuable reward should be obtainable for a new PvE opportunity
I dont see how this general direction has been violated. There have been several resource ships released (Porpoise) alongside combat ships (which are also used for PvE). Citadels are implemented along EC, for use by industrialists.

In rebuttal, I would further point out that PvP is for its overwhelming majority, not profitable. There are any number of arguably PvE activities which far outstrip isk/hr of PvP. The "reward" from PvP, is largely in defeating/denying the enemy, thrill of combat vs humans etc. There is usually very little actual concrete reward.

Furthermore, any and all materials won (or destroyed) in PvP, are ultimately sourced from PvE.
With the exception of CCP gifts/awards, everything in EVE originates from PvE.
PvP does not generate any items as rewards, it only destroys them or exchanges their owners.
Thus all material reward from PvP, is linked to PvE rewards, not the other way around.
PvE sources and provides materials.
PvP destroys them and facilitates their exchange of owners (either by looting or trading).
Thus the more PvP destruction there is, the higher the value of PvE sourced materials, and vice versa.

Ergo: PvP defines the value, in reward, from PvE.
Now re-read and reconsider formulation of your 6) above.

-7) As general direction, PvE should be viable as a perennial activity (endgame)
Incursions comprise this general direction, as does on a smaller scale advancement into L4 missions, and then to Burner missions. Carrier or even Titan ratting is an enormously lucrative PvE endgame that takes aaages to skill into.

Combat PvE is gated in this fashion. You can only earn a certain amount in a certain ship class, in a certain sector of space. If you want to earn more, you must fly larger ships in sectors with more demanding content.

As to industry related PvE, acquiring the skills, resources and safety to provide for construction of the largest and most expensive items in EVE, is certainly a very distant and demanding endgame.

As to trading, the endgame is eventually becoming an investor/banker dealing in x billions.

I was pondering to write a long detailed point-by-point answer, but come on: all you say is that all which I ask already exists in the game, which is a little silly to claim when I write about what new things would I want. I feel like I asked for something that doesn't haves spam in it...

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