EVE General Discussion

And your guessing would be as good as your logic (hint: not very good)

I'm curious what's happening with SKINS. Some of the recently-released ones (Mordu) have been quietly pulled

... I'm really not sure what your goal is here. I think you need to open your eyes, just for a minute - Sure PVE'rs, industrialists etc get to build more stuff with all the new structures which is absolutely great as it means more stuff to blow up - Which after all is the goal.

I don't see at all though how Devs specifically designed this new stuff just for indy players.

Removing attributes and their role in character development is removal of choices that matter. Make remap a service sold for AUR and everyone will be happy.

I'm glad you did. I agree that if we're already subscribed there shouldn't be another sink (real or otherwise) to optimize skill training.

Say what you want, but CCP is losing potential money for their further developments because of lack of the remaps in New Eden Store.

So I am primarily a PVEer, and I asked for smarter rats. I think the end goal is to try to make PVP and PVE as close together as possible.

There are a number of tools and mechanics CCP could update to make this happen.

Edit: on the subject of remaps, I think the original talk came from CCP. It is part of a old and dated system that goes back to the start of EVE. They want to remove to, along with learning implants as we know them. Same reason behind removal of SP clones.

It's simple, population was going down, F2P improved it, now it's going back to normal and then will keep going down as before F2P. My personal estimate was that F2P would improve PCU by maximum 15% after 6 months, and then population would start going down again. And CCP haves nothing in the works to improve population, since they're focused on a minority of the game and that is failing to retain the majority of players.



Well, following CCP Seagull's plan to cater to not-highsec PvPrs is working fine, as the demographic trend since 2013 evidences.

Mind you, EVE would be going to hell no matter what. PvP games always die, losers quit and winners are left without targets, or become losers and quit too. So PvP games always die by their own nature.

Yet, to the point: in a game like EVE, it's easier to become a PvEer than a PvPr. Thus naturally, it will always have more PvErs than PvPrs, given the choice. Yet PvE is a short term activity because CCP never cared for it. Thus players either become PvPrs, or quit sooner than later. And as PvPrs, they also quit eventually.

Now, CCP has focused on PvP since 2013. It is achieving a notorious success in it. But the price is to lose PvErs, and thus have a small game which just becomes smaller naturally with each war, each battle, each brawl. And at some point, it will be so small that won't be able to pay for its development. I say that this point will be reached in three to four years, sooner if CCP can't find other sources of income (and that's quite likely, since their hopes are on VR and VR is becoming dead on arrival).

I've been saying the same for the last 6 years. EVE needs to be more than PvP if it is to last, and that is not happening, nor there are any plans for it.

One last comment about PvP vs PvE. Do you know Ultima Online? It's one of the oldest MMOs around, and albeit a pale shadow of its glory days, it's still being developed (very slowly) and paid for by a small amount of followers who month after month convince Broadsword to not pull the plug (certainly helps that UO servers could run on your smartphone, in terms of required computer power).

Care to guess who's still playing Ultima Online? PvErs. A few of them have been doing it for 19 years. PvPrs abandoned the ship long ago. That's what you get, as a developer, for sucking PvPr's d*cks. A lesson that was harshly learned by the fools behind the first MMO I played...


PS: on the topic of PvE, new AI and gankable NPC miners... I was not asked about it. Nobody I know was asked about it. It ressembles nothing I've ever seen asked by anyone, in years of talking about PvE with different people. My guess is that CCP just asked to whomever they had in hand (PvPrs) and got a load of bullshit about what do players who don't effin' PvE want for PvE. PvErs, to the best of my knowledge, haven't been asked anything by CCP in 8 years...

[quote=Rain6637]Yeah it would be interesting if this actually worked out or if it was all one big idiotic move driven by the fear of some aging upper management to miss the boat on some over-hyped business model.