Player Features and Ideas Discussion

No kidding.

Sorry guys, logistics are down until our cyno chains can all train into command destroyers and we can move the required assests into position. Oh...and the price of everything just went up since we can't use t1 frigs and noob ships anymore.

Yes. but at least the defender can use a cyno to call in their fleet aswell, since everyone can use them.

It would only be unbalanced if they couldn't.

I'm going to have to stop you right there and ask how in the hell you expect small groups to do what they have been doing for literally years and using hotdrops and blops to gank unsuspecting, isolated or just plain stupid members of large groups if they can't cyno stuff in without losing their bridging ship?

Why would restricting cynos to ONLY the big groups hurt us in any way? You're asking for it to be significantly harder to hit exactly the kinds of targets small groups love to drop on, can you not see that?

Why would they lose their bridging ship if they know it is going to jump at the end of the cyno?
Cyno ships will be simply combat ships and tanked appropriately. I have seen small groups jump their bridging ships once they finished the bridge. I often do it myself. I do not believe there is a standard small group doctrine that says "do not jump the bridging ship"? whay would you keep a combat DPS ship out of a fight if you already have a low number of pilots?

Obviously I am not the only one thinking cynos affect disporportionately solo players and smaller groups.

My point is that in large groups rigth now, cyno ships are alts of the top leadership/FC. These are not roles that are given to a large number of players, and as such the larger groups benefit from having large numbers available to cyno around while minimizing their risks managing the cynos with trusted alts. More cynos would require opening them up to more mistakes, decisions about cyno ships commitment especially when trhrowing titans around instead of keeping them safely in poses or tether ranges.

The largest battles in Eve have been triggered by jumping instead of bridging. So I do not think why a discussion about jumping cyno ships at the end of a bridge would be bad. May be it it is time for the large groups to commit their big ships and risk them doing a powerful maneuver of teleporting instantaneously their forces from one system to another, instead of being carebears with those assets. Again, small groups often do not have the choice if they want DPS but to jump the bridging ship too...

Large groups can blob because they can teleport high amount of ships, nearly risk free, across great distances.
Why did the goons ask every carrier ratter to have a cyno fit?

Guerilla warfare is based on mobility, and cyno gives extreme and certain mobility to large groups, because reinforcement in large and powerful numbers from a far away system is probably the most powerful thing that pushes us toward blobs and benefits large groups, while limiting the harassment possibilities of the smaller groups.

Smaller groups will never compete number-wise with larger groups obviously. It is the logistic of bringing ships to a fight that should be more cumbersome for larger groups.

@Borat Guereen

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@Lugh Crow-Slave

You sound like you're arguing against the removal of cynos.
I don't want to remove cynos or hotdropping or put the smaller groups in disadvantage.

I just think that right now cynos don't work anymore because EVE has changed.

Back in the past there were 2 people with Titans then they became 10 then 100.

You see the problem ? Your suggestion is just buy a Titan or join a corp which has one, countercyno and gtfo because that's what you do right ?

Well it doesn't work that way.

The point of this thread is to find a compromise.

Jump a titan into Delve and see how long it takes us to drown it in dictors and drop fifty supers on it's face.

Right now small groups can and do use cynos to drop on the squishy parts of big groups, like the one I am a part of, literally every single day. While you might occasionally jump the blops in to bridge people home, you're certainly not going to be doing that with a titan unless you have a deathwish, and even with a blops it's not something you want to be doing every time. Why would you throw a hundred billion ISK into hostile space without a good reason? Or even a one billion ISK blops when you're just hurling bombers at something? My stratios does virtually the same damage as my panther, and I know which I'd be more likely to risk.

You are flat out wrong about cynos in large groups. Cyno roles in a fleet are generally given to whoever happens to have one fit, not to specific alts of a handful of people. I've done it myself a couple of times.

Do you honestly think that we would be any less gung ho about throwing titans around Delve if they jumped at the end of a bridge cycle? They'd be landing within jump range of our entire capital and supercapital fleet. So would a small group trying to drop a rorqual. Guess who would come out better off in the resulting fight?

Asakai is a long, long, long way away from being the biggest battle in eve. I've been in most of the big ones, and that's literally the only major fight I can recall that started from a misclick. A single titan getting killed does happen every couple of months, but those are also not the biggest fights in eve by a huge margin.


You have members of a big group and of the small groups who fight them both telling you this idea is bad for pretty much the same reason. Does that not tell you something?

I hope you understand your post makes no sense.

To start off I've said myself that you could find a ship fitted outside its role and it's fine, again... EXTREMELY RARE exception that you brought up just for the sake of argument.

When did I say that I want EVE pilots to conform my idea of what certain ships should be ?

I never stated that.

The only thing I said is that Cynos should be reworked because they're a powerful mechanic which is favoring larger groups with bigger numbers and better wallets.

It's TOO EASY to light up a cyno and gg wp when **** is going bad. You want to ignore that it's too easy? Then stop feeding me your sandbox bullshit and say it clearly. I want to light cynos when I'm in trouble because I can and it's easy.

If we'd follow your logic then let's fit doomsdays on ceptors and play 1shot online, because lel you this sandbox and you can fit every ship like you want xdxd.

No, things need to be balanced and now it's the time since there're more caps than ever. Capitals online 2017.

Because he is a member of a larger group and wants to reduce his risk.

Made sense to me....