Player Features and Ideas Discussion

.... the cyno has rather large requirements to reach its potential you need a brige/jump capable ship to start. what is great about cynos is everyone can make use of them and the requirements scale.


as for it being the only area in the game that you need to guess are you sure we have been playing the same game?? not only that if you are guessing your not doing it right. You can get enough information to make an educated evaluation on weather or not they are cyno fit hell it's easier to tell if a rattlesnake is cyno fit than it is to tell if a corm is blaster or rail fit




and again there are huge areas of the game you can go if you don't want to deal with cynos


WH HS and FW all restrict the uses of cynos if you don't want to play with them WH and FW being probably the best areas of the game for solo/gang pvp anyway

You're exaggerating again, not everything has a very narrowly defined specific role, and everything you used as an example can be fitted to basically any ship, it's just more effective on specific hulls. Cynos are the same way, there are ships with a duration bonus, and just like every other module people have looked at what's available and made decisions about whether or not to take advantage of that bonus or not.

Your end point, that cynos are a broken mechanic, is not so much argued by you as assumed. You haven't actually given a good reason for this being broken, you've assumed it is and gone from there. If you're going to argue that Cynos need fixing you need to explain how and why they're broken with evidence and examples.

"They let you bring loads of stuff to a fight!" isn't proof they're broken, it's an intended ability of a Cyno. You'll need to provide evidence for why that's bad, creates bad gameplay, ect to prove that that's a bad thing about cynos.

So far you've done none of that.

what changed was fatigue. now the little guy can and do use these w/o always getting pl dropped on them. this is a good thing


even then they are not nearly as common as you seem to be implying

Sadly I can't / don't know how to give you exact data. I would love to because I know I'm right.
But I'm pretty sure hotdropping has increased over last year, maybe year and a half.

Why is it broken? Because it disrupts subcap pvp, it doesn't encourage it. It encourages people to play the cyno warfare. And in the long run it will probably become really boring.

Because it's unbalanced, the fact that with a single module you can fit on any ship can jump in an entire fleet which is 10 jumps away.

I'll use the Micro Jump Field Generator again as an example. I'm pretty sure you're familiar with the module.

It would be cool to use it on every other ship, but man, that would be so unbalanced.

So why cyno which is 10 times as strong in terms of what it can bring to a fight, needs to be so stupid and lack any real individual skill ?

I went beyond that, I said **** the individual skill but at least make it a specific role and lock it to a single hull.

what this thread boils down to is another


"i don't use ____ but ____ is used against me. we should remove ____"

greatly removing them from the game.... who the hell is going to engage anyone if one of those ships are on D-scan


there is nothing wrong with them being fit to any ship. most things in eve can be fit to any ship its what makes it such a great sandbox. fitting a cyno and lighting one already has drawbacks and restrictions.


cynos allow for "suddenly spaceships" and that is about as eve as you can get



just like most things in game if you fly smart you can counter or avoid them but if you are dumb or they fly smarter they can ruin your day.

right from the OPs mouth everyone

Since I want to keep this civilized and constructive and you're bringing zero arguments to the table besides "sudden spaceships" which would still happen, only in a different way.

And since you're all "you can easily tell, check kb and stuff" but in the other thread you're asking for them to put back guns color so you can see what guns people are using before engaging.

I'm gonna ignore you.

..... yes this and rewarding a pilot who has taken the time to look at guns after already placing himself on grid are oh so simmilar