Assembly Hall

Recently a new player I was teaching to play the game fell victim to the margin trading scam. This has somewhat dampened his enthusiasm for the game and as he was trading to save up for plex, even if he does want to keep playing he might not be able to. Now I realise this is not considered an exploit by ccp who seem happy to see off potential customers in this fashion, so there is nothing to be done through petitions. I thought however that it might be entertaining to approach the problem in-character within the eve world.

The eve market has a broker trading system, administered by the secure commerce commission. This is to ensure fair trading and I always recommend new players to exclusively use the market for trading because of this.

Given the nature of this particular scam, I feel that the SCC is at fault for any losses incurred. Specifically under false advertising statutes. The SCC, on behalf of a capsuleer, is offering to pay x isk, for x units of some commodity/item. The SCC in these cases never has any intention of buying these items at this price. They have access to the capsuleer's wallet and can check any time whether the player can afford the items. Capsuleers are told to use common sense to avoid this type of scam, but calling an intimate knowledge of the high level trade skill mechanics 'common sense' for a new player is a stretch. In addition the same argument could be used to say that the SCC could be using their common sense. They actually have access not only to the persons current wallet amount, but also their history of prior activity and it should be a simple matter for them to use their common sense in rejecting this kind of false buy order. I have been playing the game for years and never used margin trading, so I didn't know about the mechanic myself, or I could have warned my students.

I wanted to post a message to the SCC to invite them to out of court negotiations pending my lawsuit, but I can find no way of contacting them. I thought perhaps as a constituent the CSM might be able to offer representation or at least put me in contact with the SCC. I think it would be unwise of the SCC to ignore this as a ruling in my favour could open the floodgates to thousands of similar lawsuits and cost the organisation trillions.

The point of broker trading is that the broker guarantees the transaction, we pay significant costs for this service, and on previous occasions where I have made mistakes in terms of typing in too many or too few zeros, or similar issues, the SCC has always been happy enough to take my money, even on occasions where I have immediately rectified the situation. In cases like this where the SCC made the mistake of offering to buy a commodity they never intended to pay for, they should take the hit themselves, and sort it out with the offending trader any way they can. Trust is crucial to the SCC's operations and this is a major breach.

I guess you didn't read/understand the whole post. I have no problem with that but you shouldn't post if you don't read. Specifically the words 'in character' and 'entertaining'. Did you think that I thought the SCC was a real life corporation I could sue? I am merely exploring the limits of the in game roleplay sytem.

Sorry, those laws were taken off the books a long time ago.

This isn't the role playing forum board....this is assembly hall.

We're not interesting in flights of fancy or excuses being made or demands being made for someone who got scammed when all they had to do was

1: Stop
2: Think (yeah i know real hard to do)
3: READ
4: ?????
5: PROFIT!!


This game requires common sense....requires paying attention to details....if you can't learn....your in the wrong game.

Wow a lot of hostility. I am sorry I brought it up. Perhaps a bit of psychiatry might solve some of the issues you guys have with life, but I guess we might as well forget this thread for the moment.

I am curious as to why this makes everyone so angry though. Perhaps I will ask in game. It seems to me that enjoyment is gained from fanatically raving that I am inferior. I can only assume this is either because people delight in hurting the feelings of others, in which case I apologise for disappointing you, or there is some compensation going on, in which case you have my sympathy.

lol


He has exactly as much as right as you or I to make this or any other demand. The arrogance seems to be emanating from you, in trying to stifle this man's proposal, even if it is a semi-amusing and whimsical one.

I don't mind scamming as long as there is some way to detect if there is a scam or not. The marginal trade scam is completely undetectable. You can say it is all you want, but you are flat out lying. There is absolutely no way to know if the order will go through or not until you have tried to fill it.

I was gonna say....any scam in EVE can be detected if you pay attention to whats going on around you.

This particular scam obviously entails a savy marketeer and only happens to people who are quick to buy low sell high without paying attention to details.

Note the underlined part....that is the problem...and that is the buy/sllers responcibility.

If it was that big of a deal...it would happen more often than not...and I dont see this kind of tearful whine thread anymore than maybe 3 to 4 times a month...or less.

Nice. Scammers heaven: infinite isk.

Margin trading should be removed. Don't got the cash? Don't trade. There are too much 0.01 isking going on. We should weed out the bums who do nothing but stay docked all day updating far more orders than they can afford.